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Re: He's dead, Jim!



On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:

> Apparently, none of the events you initiated seemed useful to anyone.

a. they seemed to matter to some who did show up.
b. nobody complained, objected or sugested or INITIATED anything
else. if you can't say anything nice, you don't have to sling mud.

> > Our goals were to raise awareness in the Israeli market to Linux and
> > advocate development of Hebrew Apps, and it seems we are almost half the

> You are riding on hot air for a single reason - there is no way for
> linux to succeed in israel without hebrew support. 

so I can't advocate to companies to write linux apps in Hebrew until
there are linux apps in Hebrew? are you reading what you are writing?

> - A web browser that can show every hebrew page that IE can.

I understand Konqueror is on the way, not thanks to ANY ISRAELI or at
least anyone from THIS list.

> - A mail user agent that can read hebrew as sent by popular windows
>   mailers (netscape, outlook).
> - A hebrew word processor.

well, if you don't build a strong community, you don't build awareness,
and without awareness, no one will try the OS, and if no one tries it,
no one gets to like it, and if no one likes it, no one uses it, and if
they don't use it, they don't demand hebrew apps, and if they don't
demand the apps, then Kivun (z"l?), Dvir, Kalanit, Hashavshevet and all
those companies won't WRITE them.

so you see, I tried to start that cycle. if you have better sugestions,
then SHOOT. even if you don't have time to realize the ideas, SOMEBODY
ELSE MIGHT.

but do NOT belittle other people's work, at least not without showing
something better/comparable that you might have done.

> - Much of the documentation translated.

that is done very slowly. all the LDP is free, and free in the meaning
you can translate it too. it's already in Spanish, French German and
Japanese in parts, only Israelis sit on their asses and wait for the
Hebrew version to drop from the sky. translating is great as a learning
process, but I don't need to learn most of the simpler how-tos that need
translating not am I fast typist in Hebrew that can do this in his
(nonexistant) spare time.

so again we're down to volunteers.

> 
> Until we have this, to whom are you trying to show linux? To companies
> that need servers? That does not require volunteers giving away
> CDs. That requires a consultant list.

good. I understand you are working hard on getting one updated?

  
> > and me, and 10 people does not a LUG make. If Linux' success in Israel
> > is important to you, do something, 
> 
> You miss the point - Don't assume that it means people don't care about
> Linux success, when people merely don't think that you hold the key to
> Linux success.

well, it seems like you are the first to complain about my past
actions. As for me "holding the key", maybe you didn't read my post at
all. I never thought or wanted to do it alone or lead it. I tried to
create a snowball and have the group (or at least 10-20 people) to lead
the action. I am not quitting because people are NOT following me, I'm
quitting because most of the time they are ONLY following me without
initiating anything.

got that through your think skull now?

great. now fsck off and don't reply unless you have something SERIOUS to
answer. and do it in private mail, and ONLY if it's serious. your post
makes me think I have nothing more to expect not only from this group,
but this list too.

-- 
Ira Abramov, GNU/Linux advocate.
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