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Re: Remote X windows



Hi

Alex Shnitman wrote:
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> Hi, Yedidya Bar-david!
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> On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 12:49:43AM +0200, you wrote the following:
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> > BTW, I think there is a free (shareware?) Xserver for win32, don't
> > remember details, but look at windows archives.
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> I suppose you're talking about MI/X

I don't recall that name. I am almost sure there are more than one.
Looking at simtelnet (a DOS/win shareware archives mirror system, at
e.g. ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/simtelnet) there are 2
others (haven't checked them).
Also there, there is a port of XFree86 3.1.2 to DOS, called xapeal
(quite old, probably dead by now).

> (http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/). I used it and it's
> substandard. It only runs full-screen (can't use Windows as the window
> manager), doesn't support XDMCP or anything of the kind (so you have
> to telnet to the remote host and start applications from there), and
> any window manager that's a bit more complicated than twm (an .exe of
> which comes with it, BTW) crashes it very fast. In other words, it's
> not generally usable.

That's sad. Do search for others, as they are surely exist.

> 
> > I can add that I found linux on a 486 with 8 MB RAM to be quite
> > a good Xterminal (for my purposes), and anything on win32 needed at
> > least a Pentium 100 with 32 MB to come close.
> 
> I noticed that on machines of that kind (486 with 8 MB of RAM) opening
> Netscape windows takes a lot of time (10-15 seconds or so). Everything
> works perfectly, just opening Netscape windows is slow. And it only
> happens with Netscape 4. On other X-terminals which are more powerful
> machines, on the same network, these windows open much faster. I
> wonder what the hell is Netscape doing to achieve this exclusionary
> effect.

I have no explanation, but I can add that Netscape is slow in general - 
it was teribbly slow on my 486 with 24MB (as a workstation, not pure
XTerminal).

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> > (I keep saying win32 becasue there are big differences between
> > win95/98 and NT in this issue - do check your configuration).
> 
> Could you elaborate on this topic a bit? I'm not sure I understand
> what you mean here.

I will at least try. Something like 3-4 years ago, I had to test
the possibility to make a move from unix workstation at user's desk
to XTerminals of any kind. It was an XLib application, using hebrew
fonts, and required 'backing store' and 'save unders' (maybe not both) -
that is, quite stupid (can't redraw itself). I tried 2 XServers for windows
(a bit on 3.11, and mostly on 95 and NT) - one was Xoftware, the other
I am not sure I remember (probably Xinside by FTP Software is such
a product/company exist?). Xoftware had then their first 32bit version
(their 3.11 version was really poor). The CD had 2 different versions:
for 95 and for NT. However, though they were different, you could
install each of them on either 95 or NT, and some problems were
only dependent on the OS version (although others on the software version).
I don't remember specifics, but making hebrew fonts was hard, and there
were many problems with backing store/save unders. Also, speed was slow,
and depended on OS (e.g., when you selected and deselected text on
xterms, it was jumpy on one OS, don't remember which).

Anyway, I haven't managed to make it use hebrew fonts on hebrew enabled
NT, even with the recent version (at least the newest I have - I think 7.0).
I now use Xcursion from digital, which has no problems with hebrew, and
works fine on NT, and has (at least for me) only 2 problems:
1. You can't assign it a display number. This means you can only run
one instance at any time on one machine, because the TCP port number
is determined by the display number (and it was problematic for me,
becasue I tried to use it on Windows NT Terminal server).
2. If you press it's full screen button, at least as a single large window
(the way I prefer), it adds scroll bars, even if you don't select them
in the config. I do hate that, and simply not press that button...

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