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Hebrew Lyx on RedHat 6.0 and the Jewish question
Hi Stephen.
I saw your post to the IGLU site. unfortunately we use it mainly for
announcements and not technical discussions. your questions about
compiling and running Lyx 6 would be better answered here on the list or
on the Ivrix.org.il list. I'm reposting here so people can interactively
answer you, but be aware that you can't post back to the list unless you
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I'm quoting you below so people can give you their views.
> Hebrew Lyx is rumored to be a major breakthrough in hebrew word
> processing, especially for Lynix and RedHat Server 6.0. However,
> piecing together all the pieces has been troublesome for me and
> time-consuming, and I still do not have everything in place to see the
> main screen...
(I'm not a user of Lyx or H/Lyx myself, maybe someone else can help?)
> I have wanted to set up my PC workstation like I like it, with
> RedHat Lynix 6.0 Server and associated applications. I like the
> security of Lynix and the flexibility RedHat gives me to setup my
> own machine like I would with a PC. The graphics and XWindows are
> fantastic. The ability to download RPM's is wonderful. However,
> there is one little sticky detail, and that is the Hebrew word
> processor with math support.
sadly, that requires development. as ESR points out, all good open
source project begin with an itch and a programmer willing to scratch
it. the itch exists and Dekel Tsur has been scratching it :
http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~dekel/lyx/
I have no idea who else is with him on the project, but his Email is on
the page, you may prefer to contact him directly. I would not be
surprised if he is actually looking for feedback and more volunteers for
such a project, it seems like a major undertaking.
> status, I got the hebrew support for EMACS and I like it. But I am
> also interested in mathematics and WISIWIG, and EMACS is not a
> graphical interface. I could stick with the hebrew fonts and
> Netscape Composer, pasting stuff from EMACs when I want to include
> Hebrew text. And I have a feeling that this will work quite well.
> However, it is not a very clean solution.
yap, Math equations look best in Lyx, I'm told, and indeed the visual
Hebrew of Netcape doesn't cut it. but you have to understand that the
logistics of an editor arranging bi-directional text on the screen are
doubled when the complications of type setting and "nikud" come into the
picture, therefor you can forgive the work-in-progress being a little
complex and maybe unstable.
and hey, it's an open source project, like I said, you are welcome to
donate your time and brain power...
> What I am trying to do is to piece together the simplest method to
> get a RedHat Linux 6 Server user who installed straight from the CD
> everything up and running for Hebrew Lyx. The RedHat web-site is
> quite supportive and good. But I think it is important to post
> publically some simple (rpm) instructions for people to get started
> with on a standard PC (RedHat 6.0) configuration. I would be nice
> if someone actually also went through the trouble to try out these
> instructions to make sure they work on some PC.
these are actually the goals and type of project the Ivrix group takes
on. many of them are on this list and may answer that directly.
> It may be that this simple support is already on the web, although I
> have not been able to locate it, but I think it would be worthwhile
> if it were posted somewhere obvious where the search engines could
> find it using the key worlds "Hebrew Lyx and RedHat Linux 6 Server".
I'm sure that if such support files were to be written, they would have
been linked from Dekel's page.
> Perhaps it could be bound as a CD (free software licencensed)
> distribution by some entrepreneur and it would in my mind be a very
> useful and necessary product for Israel and the world at large since
> it would enable a lot of people to start typing in hebrew without
> too much complication.
downloading an RPM makes a bit more sense for a single software package,
but I agree that if Red Hat or Mandrake decided to make it a standard
part of their distro, we'll all be very happy. Tzafrir Cohen and others
have been doing a lot of good work towards that goal, and I heard rumors
that Mandrake are actually interested in opening a local dev center in
Israel, possibly to accelerate the internationalization Linux needs so
badly.
as a side note, the so called "Hebrew" Lyx is genericly a BiDi version,
and includes support for Arabic too.
> It might even include a Lynix distribution, something like Hebrew
> Lynix and Word Processing. It could include useful references, like
> the Chumash online in Hebrew and English (if Halachically OK),
> Tanya, Translator, standard Prayers, hebrew/translating from
> Gregorian calander,
umm... we were discussing Hebrew and Arabic support for linux, I'd like
to keep religion out of it :-)
note that you are addressing the ISRAELI linux group here, we're Jews
and Arabs together. noone sugested starting a Jewish Linux group, and I
don't think it's a good idea either...
> and maybe even some tourist information with
> pictures of major attractions in Israel to include and reference in
> the text. There could be beginner hebrew programs for those wanting
> to learn. There could be online and telephone support for those who
> paid for the distribution. In other words, I think it has the
> potential to be really big if done correctly.
The day our kneset and government decides to retreat their
taste-bud-muscle-organ thingy from the aft orifice of Micro$oft Corp,
there should be improvement in that area. if big coutries like Mexico
and China can decide the education system can run on Linux, Israel
should consider the same. but in the meantime, Microsoft seems to have a
biger footprint on the ministry of Education than perhaps in any other
country.
as for the pictures and stuff: cute ideas, after the ministry of
education, we'll start nagging the foreign ministry and the ministry of
tourism :-)
but as we say in Israel "one cow at a time".
> So much for pipe dreams. In the meanwhile, I am looking for some
> simple instructions how to get started right after the installation
> of the RedHat Linux 6 Server package. I would really love to see an
> article addressing just this. I am hoping someone else has the
> expertise to contribute this. Otherwise, I may need to submit
> something after I figure it out.
and we'll be more than happy to reprint it on our site, and future
publications on paper we may plan. hey, this could actually be
interesting Linux Journal material!
> Hopefully this is easier than my other dream: piping out the water
> from the deep underground resevoir rumored to be on the West Bank to
> make the entire area florish again like in the ancient times...
I'm sure the soon-to-be palestinian state would love to have those
coordinates :) ok, enough politics...
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