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Re: KDE 2.0 final & the Israeli aspect



Hi Tzafrir, others...

> (I presue that by TTF you mean unicode.)
> 
> But in an erlier post you siad that the browser will be able to use
> iso-8859-8 (iso8 for short) fonts (as opposed to the other components.

You can use the ISO-8859-8 fonts for Logical and Visual. Yes. 

In fact, before you gave me your fonts.dir/fonts.alias script - I had
only 1 Unicode font which produces some cubes :)

> 
> Is there any unicode font included in XFree4, which includes Hebrew
> glyphs? Be it un ugly fixed font, It still much easier to read than
> gibrish.

I Don't know. My AMD 800Mhz machine is officialy dead and I need to send
it back for replacement, so I cannot test XFree 4.0 yet, so I really
don't know about XFree 4.0 - I haven't played enough with it. Perhaps
some people could elaborate on this issue?

> 
> For example, mozilla's default config for X is to use the "fixed" font for
> the iso8 codepage, because one such font comes with XFree (I believe it
> comes from X11). So Heberw text in mozilla looks ugly until you change
> that (it was a bit difficult with M16, with happened to crash at that
> point :( ), but you could read Hebrew sites even with standard fonts.

Donno. I'm not using Mozilla.

> 
> >
> > * If you want to use the hebrew menus - you'll need to replace the fonts.dir
> > which redhat (if you use redhat) creates and create another one fonts.dir and
> > fonts.alias with Tzafrir's script (Tzafrir? could u republish the URL please?
> 
> I put it in:
> ftp://linux.org.il/pub/Hebrew/Install/ttmkfdir-heb
> 

Good :)

> > I'm moving to KMail and I got a mess here). Don't forget to remove the
> > directory from with the chkfontpath and adding it again - and restarting the
> > xfs (stop and start - restart doesn't seem to work)
> 
> For which distros is chkfontpath availble? I saw it included in the
> helix-gnome packages for no reason aparent to me. I know it originally
> comes with RH 6.x and above (and with Mandrake 6.x and above).

I'm using at work Redhat 6.1 and 6.2 on 2 machines, and I haven't played
much with Xfree 4.0. Redhat comes with chkfontpath - That I know. About
others - donno.

> Did XFree 4 adopt anything similar? If not, what's the standard way for
> adding a fonts dir to the fonts path?

If I recall correctly from my last installation of XFree 4 (it was from
CVS source tree), then I think you got a "mkfontdir" command.

> 
> Does debian has any program to manipulate the font path for the X server?
> Does Caldera? SuSE?
> 

Good question :)

> >
> > * Pages like walla will look "????" if you don't select from the encoding the
> > ISO-8859-8-i or the CP1255 encoding. For visual pages - select the ISO-8859-8
> > (like Haaretz, IOL, Tapuz, Internet Zahav etc..)
> 
> <off topic>
> Have a look at Haaretz and IOL's HTML pages.
> They mark their HTML pages as:
> <meta charset="visual">
> Instead of using what defined in the HTML standard:
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-8">
> 
> (or have I got it worng)

I talked to Lars about it and it's been implemented and you can see
Haaretz and IOL perfectly. 

> 
> If you want to see a real ironic example of such problematic charset
> marking, have a look at:
> http://www.snunit.k12.il/heb_new.html#html
> </off topic>

I checked the pages earlier - it looks perfect with konqueror.

> 
> Back to topic: Lars, Hetz: anyway I can configure konquerer to identify
> those marks as iso-8859-8 charset pages?

No need, it's automatically :)

> 
> >
> > * There are some glitches here and there - specially with numbers and "makaf"
> > near them - they look in reverse. Known problem which will be fixed any day
> > now. Also, Walla lower part of the main page is alligned to the left - known
> > problem. There are other known problems which are being taken care of and
> > hopefully will be fixed by the time KDE 2.0.1 will be out (which will be
> > around 1 month from now) - but 90% of the web  pages looks great in Hebrew
> >
> > * Hebrew keys - acking problem. I asked lots of times if someone couldmove
> > his/her butt and write a small text file how to switch - no body volunteered
> > to do that. tuff luck. In case someone is still interested - KDE 2.0 got this
> > hack called kxkb which is a "front end" to xkb...
> 
> Hmmm...
> I wrote my description at: http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/56.html (or
> actually http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/86.html )
> 
> It works fine for me (on XFree 3.3.6, which is what I have)
> 
> I have also tried to answer some questions regarding this, when they came
> up, See:
> http://www2.iol.co.il/communikit/scripts/forums/live/forums_single_25.asp?rootId=2845374&msg_id=2845374
> 
> http://www2.iol.co.il/communikit/scripts/forums/live/forums_single_25.asp?rootId=2814349&msg_id=2814349
> 
> And also a couple of times in private mail.

I'm looking at the addresses u gave in IOL - but I see that those are
problems...

Ilya played this evening with my KDE 2 machine at work, but so far I
cannot type in Hebrew. Perhaps once you'll have KDE 2.0 installed on
your machine - u could test your configuration

> 
> I have almost never got any followups to my replies. This means that
> either my reply was good enough, or that the one who asked the question
> did not have the time to refer to it.
> 
> Again, it works great for me...

But not for me :(

Hetz

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