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Re: Bidi support for Linux
- To: Hetz Ben Hamo <hetz(at-nospam)magnifire.net>
- Subject: Re: Bidi support for Linux
- From: Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir(at-nospam)technion.ac.il>
- Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:37:50 +0300 (IDT)
- cc: matial(at-nospam)il.ibm.com, linux-il(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il, ivrix-discuss(at-nospam)ivrix.org.il
- In-Reply-To: <200105071110.f47BA2U00879@genie.magnifire.com>
- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
Hi Mati, Heetz and everybody
On Mon, 7 May 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> Mati, Rega Ehad ;)
>
> > The suggestions we received can be classified as follows:
>
> I'm affraid you're either mixing or stepping on other toes (projects that are
> done or being done)
>
> > Basic Support:
> > Keyboard mapping
>
> already done. Look inside XFree 4.0.3 or the upcoming XFree-4.1
>
XFree has the backend (config files for xkbcomp). There is an obvious need
for better front-ends for Xkb, that will fully utilize it (more than
switch layout. For instance: use mouse-keys, set keys for layout
switching, scroll-lock led indicator).
But this is certainly not a high-priority task.
> > Fonts
>
> Someone from KDE is working on adding the Windows fonts.
> Mandrake also have a nice utility to add Windows fonts to your Linux. Debian
> got a smart package to download fonts from MS and to install it. Why do
> duplicate work?
Fonts is a major problem. Even for a home system this complicates settings
(what will you set for the default font of kde? the ugly "fixed"? After
bothering that much with adding antialising ? ;-) ).
For a more-than-hobbyist environemnt (which may be what IBM is aiming for)
such solutions will simply not do.
However, such a font will not be made availble by extra programmer time
(and I believe that this post was about investment of programmers time)
> > UTF-8
>
> why?? everything is now unicode including QT 3 and GTK 2
>
> > GUI
> > QT/KDE
> > GTK/Gnome
>
> care to elaborate? you might (again) want to do
> some stuff that someone is already doing
Hetz: you originally asked about adding bidi support to the existing kde2
Anybody tried to see if such a task is feasable?
>
> > Applications
> > Word processor
>
> Abiword got already some bidi support. I think a little help is needed there
> > Emacs
(There's a bidi-emacs effort, for those of you who don't remember)
> > Vim
>
> I think there is a hebrew version of vim available.
>
See my original comments about that version
> >
>
> > Internet
> > Browser (this is not really needed, since the Bidi-enabled Mozilla is
> > now released)
> True.
>
> >
> > Porting Tools
> > Wine
>
> Umm, to do hebrew for wine, you don't need much work actually, you can ask
> the team that did the OS/2 hebrew support to give it to you. Same algoritms
> with minor changes that were reflected on Windows 9x. But IMHO I would put
> wine Hebrew efforts in the last priority (heck, you don't have there even
> decent fonts support for any language)
[I'm not sure that this is correct, but I have a feeling that Mati knows
more about this]
>
> > As you can see, this is quite a demanding list. We are currently weighing
> > our options, before jumping into concrete work. I will send updated info
> > when a decision is taken.
>
> Well Mati, as you can see, your list has been shrinking now ;)
--
Tzafrir Cohen
mailto:tzafrir@technion.ac.il
http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir
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