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Re: Local SuSE mirror
- To: Gold Edward <avieal(at-nospam)inter.net.il>
- Subject: Re: Local SuSE mirror
- From: Daniel Feiglin <dilogsys(at-nospam)inter.net.il>
- Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:14:26 +0200
- CC: Linux Israel <linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il>
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Gold Edward wrote:
> I can give some summary about my "quest" for the official
> distribution in Israel SuSE .
>
> I tried to get SuSE latest version (7.3) from all sources -- and did not
> succeed :
> PF1 stopped to import it and the same situation with another company
> from
> Raanana which SuSE site listed as their second Israeli supplier.
> Amazon is supplying it in U.S. only (don't know the cause)-- and the
> same
> situation was encountered after some
> non-extensive checkings on other US sw. selling sites .
>
> BTW- not sure, but SuSE site sells it for 78 US $ "only"-- not 130.
Hey! $130 includes S&H, and there is no choice. From Linux Central, you have to
take the insured method.
> I totaly agree with Nadav-Har'El opinion about this distribution first
> class
> quality--
> I used 6.1 for a long time (bought on BUG on September 1999)--
> but on work we could not obtain
> SuSE 7.3 (we needed it because we thought that 2.4.15) would
> give us some Posix IPC features.
> SuSE site mentions that they sell only in E.U. -- very curious
> behaviour...
> We ended up on RH7.1 (2.4.10 & updated afterwards to 2.4.15).
> It is an unfortunate situation that such a succesfull distribution
> can not be easily obtained around here-- I mean their all
> goodies, i.e. 2300 packages (and manuals).
>
> Edy
>
>
>
> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>
>
>>Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>PF1/REL imported them last time I checked (by phone). I saw it also once
>>>in a shop in JM (an old version, of course).
>>>
>>But they stopped. You can see V7.1 on their site.
>>
>>
>>>And, they actually do have an excellend Evaluation CD (nobody else has
>>>s.th. like this !): It boots a live filesystem from CD with all bells and
>>>whistles installed. Including proper setup and it saves all the data +
>>>your home dir on the local disk (vfat partition needed).
>>>
>>>I think this is a very good solution for the evaluation problem and people
>>>who want to suck from this a normal installation can just boot it and copy
>>>it over to their hard disk (and do normal RPM installs afterwards).
>>>
>>>Schlomo
>>>
>>>PS: Download it from ftp://schapiro.org
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I also tried to talk to them (and I speak German !) to no avail. I told
>>>>>them that their local importers are doing them a dis-service. But they
>>>>>told me that they have long-running contracts and that's it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Who is their local importer?
>>>>
>>>>Last time I looked at their site, there was a link to an Israeli reseller.
>>>>The site of the Israeli reseller had no mention of SuSE (only of
>>>>Mandrake, if you bothered digging deep enough into the site).
>>>>
>>>>Do you see any SuSE in any store? Do you see any Redhat or Mandrake?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't think that the problem is political, though. I see two major
>>>>>problems:
>>>>>1) Israel is very RedHat centric (we are soooo American !), therefore
>>>>>there are not so many (almost NIL) people who would buy SuSE
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>SuSE sells pretty well in the US. Mandrake (originally french) is also
>>>>doing well. Maybe some people here have problems with German products (no
>>>>flames please, I'm only stating a fact), however I don't think that this
>>>>is reflected in the sales of FolksWagen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>2) SuSE doesn't bother to have importers in many countries. They are just
>>>>>open for importers to make business with them. I imagine that the
>>>>>Situation in Cyprus or Poland is not much better than here. It's just our
>>>>>bad luck that we got an "Israeli" SuSE importer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Hmm...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Also, note that $130 seems pretty close to the SuSE price if you would
>>>>>order from them directly (from Germany).
>>>>>
>>>>>I once ordered a package directly from them for my work and it
>>>>>was all very well, except the 60 DM shipping cost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>130$?
>>>>
>>>>If they don't start handing out evaluation CDs, (almost) no-one in Israel
>>>>will bother with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>Other matters: At various times I've seen SuSE even in BUG!
>>
>>Why SuSE: I started out with Redhat in 5.1-2 days. 6.0 was a disaster. PF1
>>offered me SuSE 6.1 for peanuts, at Computax, and in terms of distro quality and
>>scope I never looked back. I must confess that 7.1 was not brilliant, and I
>>finished up with what in now SuSE 7.1 and a half - d/l'd kernel 2.4.9 and got
>>KDE 2.2.1 from a CD burning outfit in the US (also cost peanuts).
>>
>>SuSE refused to supply me the 7.2 upgrade: They referred me to their UK dealer
>>who said that he could only supply from South Africa. Stuff that. About 7.3:
>>There are some rather nasty reviews floating around (LinuxPlanet) for anyone
>>trying to upgrade using the graphics interface (yast2). If anyone is interested,
>>I have them in a 256Kb tarball.
>>
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