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RE: iglu on slashdot
- To: "'Ariel Biener'" <ariel(at-nospam)fireball.tau.ac.il>
- Subject: RE: iglu on slashdot
- From: "Haim Gelfenbeyn" <rnews(at-nospam)hageltech.com>
- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:06:36 +0300
- Cc: <linux-il(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il>
- Importance: Normal
- In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21_heb2.09.0105141939000.4688-100000@fireball.tau.ac.il>
- Organization: Hagel Technologies
- Reply-To: <haim(at-nospam)hageltech.com>
- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001, Haim Gelfenbeyn wrote:
>
> > So I think this is Actcom's job to ensure that their
> network, routers
> > and servers are up to their job, and monitor it 24x7 for possible
> > problems. Anything less is incompetence on their side.
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I think you are mistaken, and I think you are comparing apples with
> oranges. Bandwidth in Israel is not a commodity, it's a very expensive
> resource, since you have to carry it across the sea. The ISP main
> objective is to "make money". Otherwise, it collapses. If, in order to
> supply you with your needs, it needs to add 5Mbit of capacity to it's
> planned capacity, it costs a FORTUNE. And, unless you wanna pay for a
> translatlantic 5Mbit worth of both access (i.e. enlarging a
> ATM vc) and
> traffic, they cannot justify, in a economical point of view,
> maintaining a
> site for you.
>
> In the US, bandwidth is very cheap, and the costs of
> enlarging a ATM VC
> for example are very low, compared to what we have to deal with
> here. Thus, they don't mind enlarging capacity, and charging
> you for extra
> traffic (depends what SLA you have with them), since it
> doesn't hurt them
> economically.
>
I have no problem with Israeli ISPs wanting to make some money. However,
I do have a problem when they screw their customers the moment one's
site brings some traffic. When I was shopping for hosting, I saw one
U.S. company advertise "no more then 200MB/day traffic" account. But
here ISPs don't impose limits when you sign up. No, sir, they screw you
later! Their attitude to this problem is what I don't like!
> Try thinking about how we regard water, and how does Norway
> regard water.
>
Somehow Mekorot don't tell you "use all the water you can get", and one
month later comes and disconnects you from water forever because you
used too much.
>
> It is the attitude of the Israeli consumer that drives ISPs (and other
> businesses) to the ground, more than their own attitude. For
> example, have
> you ever heard of an Israeli paying for shareware applications ?
>
I am shareware author myself... I must agree with you here, I don't have
many paying Israeli users. I do pay for software I use myself, however
:-)
>
> It was best that people have a more thorough and deep
> understanding of the
> issues at hand, before expressing themselves....
>
This is so true.
Haim.
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