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Re: Bidi support for Linux
- To: Ivrix Discussions <ivrix-discuss(at-nospam)ivrix.org.il>
- Subject: Re: Bidi support for Linux
- From: Shai Berger <shai(at-nospam)aristocart.com>
- Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:22:19 +0300
- CC: Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il(at-nospam)future.galanet.net>, "Nadav Har'El" <nyh(at-nospam)math.technion.ac.il>, matial(at-nospam)il.ibm.com, linux-il(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
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- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> On Wed, 9 May 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
>
> >
> > Using Scroll-Lock or Caps-Lock is interesting from the practical point
> > of view, but from the human interfaces design point of view, it
> > obfuscates the meaning of keys whose meaning is originally clear,
>
> Clear = you got used to it.
>
I second that,
> > and forces users to lelearn a set of keys when moving from desktop
> > (Linux) to desktop (Windows).
>
> I don't think that windows compatibility can come before usefulness.
>
and I more than second that. People have learn new keys when moving from
vi to Emacs, from Word to StarOffice, etc.
> What about me having to teach emacs, pine, etc. a new set of bindings?
>
The problem, as I noted before, is not in the bindings themselves, but
in the consequences to tutorials and tech-support in mailing lists etc.
> >
> > No free desktop (KDE, GNOME) has any use for Ctrl-Shift. What does?
IIRC, Enlightenment lets you set multiple desktops as well as multiple
screens within a desktop; and the default bindings for moving between
screens used 2 of {ctrl,alt,shift} with the arrows. I switched to KDE,
and I don't remember the details.
>
> So what?
>
> Basically there should be a default, and it should be easy to change.
>
This is the important point: Using modifiers as keys is bad for you.
AFAIK, you cannot set keyboard shortcuts to ctrl-shift in KDE nor GNOME,
because for both of them these are not key presses. It would be better
to have no default bindings, with a Win3.1-like language-icon system,
than to try to force ctrl-shift to be a legitimate key.
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