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Re: What's bad with MS products
- To: Adir Abraham <adir(at-nospam)vipe.technion.ac.il>
- Subject: Re: What's bad with MS products
- From: Alon Altman <alon(at-nospam)vipe.technion.ac.il>
- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 19:36:09 +0300 (IDT)
- Cc: Linux-IL <linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il>
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- In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10108221818210.7629-100000@vipe.technion.ac.il>
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Hi,
I need the information about problems with M$ products to be able to
supply strong counter-claims to M$Win2k and M$IE users which think their
product is the best in the world. For some reason (piracy) the price
argument does not work well. Also, people do not give much weight to the
openess and freeness arguments of the Linux way.
One major myth users seem to have is that Windoze is "User-friendly" and
Linux isn't. This is simply wrong. In windoze, when you have a problem,
often you can do nothing about it. You have to spend hours trying to bypass
"wizards" and "smart" programs into doing what you want to be done. Most
linux programs don't have this problem. In the worst case, you can edit the
source.
On the other hand, basic interaction is easy with both OSs, until you
stumble upon a problem ofcourse. The KDE desktop is very intuitive and easy
to use. The major diffrence is that when you have a problem in linux you can
tackle each component at a time and modularly solve the problem. Under
windoze, you have to try and guess where the problem is, search through
registry entries and dialog boxes, without a way to look at logs or check
each component individually.
Again - I am lookin for hard facts for why Linux is better than
Windoze2000 and why M$IE is the worst browser in the world, preferably from
a neutral or M$-loving source.
Alon
On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Adir Abraham wrote:
> Hi Alon
>
> If you're trying to find sites to "explain" people why Linux is better (or
> to be exact - why Windows is worse) by giving "hard facts against", you
> miss the real point of explaining what is good. There is good in Linux,
> and a lot of it. Every each of us know exactly how Linux exactly is good
> for him and the environment. By raising up what you want, though (the
> question/mark in your topic, and the word "anti" in your email), nobody
> will want to listen to you, but innocents.
>
> First of all, let's put it on the table. I am talking now about
> *simple* users only (which they are the ones whom you want and need to
> convince, I assume) - most of them don't care that:
> 1) Microsoft is a monopoly (by definition or not by definition).
> 2) Windows is not for "real developers".
> 3) Linux's kernel is better than Windows' kernel (and then again, you
> should define what you mean by "better", where, and in which version,
> because you may give me something about Windows 95 (not stable etc.) and I
> can give you something about Linux kernel v1.0.x, so we did nothing in
> this kind of arguement.
> The 2nd thing is - I don't have to be NOT a linux enthusiast in
> order to use (sometimes) Microsoft's products. Because I am, a real fan
> of it, but I also use what you call "Microsoft products". My main use
> of "Microsoft's products" is actually Windows 2000 Server, which, I am
> sad to say, is much better than what Windows once used to be (not stable,
> bad uptime, etc. etc.). Most of the things that you will say about
> Windows, which once were more than the truth - they were a real fact(!) -
> today most of them don't exist.. How can I say it in other words -- this
> time they created a *working* product, and that's a problem (or at least a
> bigger problem to convince someone to switch from Windows to Linux,
> because for him it will be easier to switch to Windows 2000 family). My
> sight is clear, and we shall never be blind. You should give real good
> facts about Linux, for the ones who care and for the ones who need it, and
> not "bad facts" about Microsoft's products, for someone who doesn't really
> notice what you're talking about, or either don't care (for the
> disadvantages as if). I am quite sure that he will start to listen to you,
> at least, when you talk good things about your product and not bad things
> about the "enemy".
> The 3rd thing is that we should look at the eyes of the ones who
> use Microsoft products. I can give few reasons why Windows is (still)
> commonly used:
> 1) Easier to use (for them). you may call it.. "user friendly".
> 2) Stability problem - most of it was fixed (I believe that more people
> would switch to Linux if nowadays Windows would work like how Windows 95
> used to work).
> 3) Wider support of hardware and software companies for Microsoft products
> (it's hard to see patches for every new thing that arrives. I am talking
> mostly about new hardware stuff, or just fixes in general so the kernel
> would fit the new technology, while the companies that created their new
> hardware have already made it fit.. for Windows). Companies want to earn
> money, and the first thing that they will want to do is to make their
> product fit for the public who uses its favorite OS, which in this case,
> it's (unfortunately) Windows.
>
> Can you change all that? I doubt it. And even if you can, it will take
> quite a long time (it already takes longer time than what you wanted it to
> be. Fact is that you want to stop it), because of all the reasons that I
> have mentioned above.
>
> The 4th and last thing, which sums this whole email - There is
> nothing BAD in using "this kind of OS" instead of "another". Everybody
> will use whatever they want to use. Like it or not, after all people will
> use of what they desire, and not what you desire. Instead of being
> an "anti" like what you write in your email, you should be a "for" and to
> let people know about Linux. By showing it nicely to others, you will give
> them something to think about. By being against, people will look at you
> more suspiciously in the good case. in the bad case they will simply not
> care of what you try to present, whether your product is the best in the
> world or not.
>
> I am not a salesman, and I am not such a great speecher, but on the next
> Instaparty (07/11/2001, Technion), I will try to show people what is GOOD
> in Linux and not what is bad in Windows, and will try to install Linux for
> as many people as possible, like every instaparty in the Technion in the
> last 2 years, and by that will try to convince people to stick to it.
>
> Believe me, I want Linux to be used by many more people (and you know
> that personally), as much as you want it to become - but excuse me, being
> "anti" and asking for "hard facts" and "what is bad", will give the
> exactly opposite results.
>
> Think about it.
>
> And best regards (no hard feelings, I hope :).
>
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Alon Altman wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > Can someone point me to sites dedicated to anti-M$ propaganda with hard
> > facts against M$ products (esp. Windows2000 and MSIE), that I can use to
> > convert people who are not yet linux enthusiats?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alon
> >
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