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Re: A question about a small "makaf"
- To: matial(at-nospam)il.ibm.com
- Subject: Re: A question about a small "makaf"
- From: Hetz Ben Hamo <hetz(at-nospam)il.linuxqa.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:00:07 +0200
- Cc: linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il
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- Sender: hetz(at-nospam)il.aduva.com
- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
Hi,
With all the respect, Mati...
"teaching people" is surely won't help around with this case at all. We still
live in a country that the majority of people use Windows and people blame their
PC that it's not working enough while the actual problems are at their Windows,
and they're PC is perfectly ok..
Reality check: Most of the web pages which are designed to work with Explorer
don't give a damn about Linux/Mozilla/Konqueror - so with the correct situation
we'll be facing some funny/tragic reading (depends what you read and if you
forgot the "makaf" issue. It won't be funny to find your stock is "down" just
because the "makaf" was in the wrong place you know)..
I would suggest to add an option to whatever browser/Hebrew implementation - to
support this "makaf bug" and let people read pages normally...
Opinions?
BTW, Mati - IBM released few months ago Netscape 4.x with Hebrew support for
Logical/Visual hebrew for Windows. Is there any effort to port these changes to
Linux version of Netscape? Maybe other implementations that IBM Israel can help
with the local Linux community?
Thanks,
Hetz
matial@il.ibm.com wrote:
>
> Windows 2000 has a context menu, and Windows 9x let you enter RLM as
> Alt+0254 (ugly, but works), and it would be quite easy to create a hotkey
> for entering RLM in a more civilized way. However, the problem as
> mentioned by Tzafrir Cohen, is that, because of Microsoft implementation,
> people are not used to insert RLM when needed. The solution is, like in
> many cases, education.
>
> Doing a hack for charset 1255 (Windows Hebrew) as proposed by Ilya
> Konstantinov is, I think, a bad idea. This would really confuse people,
> who most of the time are not aware of which charset they use, because this
> is an obscure option in their mail or text editing software. Today, we
> have incompatibility between Unicode conformant text and MS text, with hope
> that MS will conform eventually. With this suggestion, we have
> incompatibility forever.
>
> About Jonathan Rosenne's remark that "hyphen-minus is not a maqaf. Unicode
> offers both a Hebrew Maqaf and a proper hyphen", I want to say that this
> does not help a lot, because what we have on our keyboards is hyphen-minus,
> so most users will use it anyway. And most people are not using Unicode
> (yet?). Windows 1255 does not have a maqaf like Unicode. However, it does
> contain Em-dash and En-dash (U2013 and U2014), so there is a solution.
> Again, the problem is to educate users to use it.
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