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Re: Local SuSE mirror
- To: Schlomo Schapiro <schapiro(at-nospam)mobileye.com>
- Subject: Re: Local SuSE mirror
- From: Daniel Feiglin <dilogsys(at-nospam)inter.net.il>
- Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:44:40 +0200
- CC: Gold Edward <avieal(at-nospam)inter.net.il>, Linux Israel <linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il>
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- Organization: Dilog Computers Ltd.
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Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
> Interesting indeed. Maybe they changes something since I used them last
> time. Did you try calling ?
No. I don't speak German.
>
> Schlomo
>
> PS: Btw, SuSE more and more goes corporate with all the bad parts, too.
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>
>
>>I got a reply from order@suse.de, and then it was magically taken over by
>>Shelley Davies at SuSE UK, who duckshoved it to Johnathan Thornhill at Bowline,
>>their South African distributor. As I said, not-so-politely below, &^%#$% to that!
>>
>>Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Whom did you ask at SuSE Germany about shipping to Israel ? I got a
>>>shipment from them some month ago without any problem (except the price).
>>>
>>>Schlomo
>>>
>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Gold Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can give some summary about my "quest" for the official
>>>>distribution in Israel SuSE .
>>>>
>>>>I tried to get SuSE latest version (7.3) from all sources -- and did not
>>>>succeed :
>>>>PF1 stopped to import it and the same situation with another company
>>>>from
>>>>Raanana which SuSE site listed as their second Israeli supplier.
>>>>Amazon is supplying it in U.S. only (don't know the cause)-- and the
>>>>same
>>>>situation was encountered after some
>>>>non-extensive checkings on other US sw. selling sites .
>>>>
>>>>BTW- not sure, but SuSE site sells it for 78 US $ "only"-- not 130.
>>>>I totaly agree with Nadav-Har'El opinion about this distribution first
>>>>class
>>>>quality--
>>>>I used 6.1 for a long time (bought on BUG on September 1999)--
>>>>but on work we could not obtain
>>>>SuSE 7.3 (we needed it because we thought that 2.4.15) would
>>>>give us some Posix IPC features.
>>>>SuSE site mentions that they sell only in E.U. -- very curious
>>>>behaviour...
>>>>We ended up on RH7.1 (2.4.10 & updated afterwards to 2.4.15).
>>>>It is an unfortunate situation that such a succesfull distribution
>>>>can not be easily obtained around here-- I mean their all
>>>>goodies, i.e. 2300 packages (and manuals).
>>>>
>>>>Edy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PF1/REL imported them last time I checked (by phone). I saw it also once
>>>>>>in a shop in JM (an old version, of course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>But they stopped. You can see V7.1 on their site.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>And, they actually do have an excellend Evaluation CD (nobody else has
>>>>>>s.th. like this !): It boots a live filesystem from CD with all bells and
>>>>>>whistles installed. Including proper setup and it saves all the data +
>>>>>>your home dir on the local disk (vfat partition needed).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think this is a very good solution for the evaluation problem and people
>>>>>>who want to suck from this a normal installation can just boot it and copy
>>>>>>it over to their hard disk (and do normal RPM installs afterwards).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Schlomo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS: Download it from ftp://schapiro.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I also tried to talk to them (and I speak German !) to no avail. I told
>>>>>>>>them that their local importers are doing them a dis-service. But they
>>>>>>>>told me that they have long-running contracts and that's it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Who is their local importer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Last time I looked at their site, there was a link to an Israeli reseller.
>>>>>>>The site of the Israeli reseller had no mention of SuSE (only of
>>>>>>>Mandrake, if you bothered digging deep enough into the site).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you see any SuSE in any store? Do you see any Redhat or Mandrake?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't think that the problem is political, though. I see two major
>>>>>>>>problems:
>>>>>>>>1) Israel is very RedHat centric (we are soooo American !), therefore
>>>>>>>>there are not so many (almost NIL) people who would buy SuSE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SuSE sells pretty well in the US. Mandrake (originally french) is also
>>>>>>>doing well. Maybe some people here have problems with German products (no
>>>>>>>flames please, I'm only stating a fact), however I don't think that this
>>>>>>>is reflected in the sales of FolksWagen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2) SuSE doesn't bother to have importers in many countries. They are just
>>>>>>>>open for importers to make business with them. I imagine that the
>>>>>>>>Situation in Cyprus or Poland is not much better than here. It's just our
>>>>>>>>bad luck that we got an "Israeli" SuSE importer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hmm...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, note that $130 seems pretty close to the SuSE price if you would
>>>>>>>>order from them directly (from Germany).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I once ordered a package directly from them for my work and it
>>>>>>>>was all very well, except the 60 DM shipping cost.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>130$?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If they don't start handing out evaluation CDs, (almost) no-one in Israel
>>>>>>>will bother with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>Other matters: At various times I've seen SuSE even in BUG!
>>>>>
>>>>>Why SuSE: I started out with Redhat in 5.1-2 days. 6.0 was a disaster. PF1
>>>>>offered me SuSE 6.1 for peanuts, at Computax, and in terms of distro quality and
>>>>>scope I never looked back. I must confess that 7.1 was not brilliant, and I
>>>>>finished up with what in now SuSE 7.1 and a half - d/l'd kernel 2.4.9 and got
>>>>>KDE 2.2.1 from a CD burning outfit in the US (also cost peanuts).
>>>>>
>>>>>SuSE refused to supply me the 7.2 upgrade: They referred me to their UK dealer
>>>>>who said that he could only supply from South Africa. Stuff that. About 7.3:
>>>>>There are some rather nasty reviews floating around (LinuxPlanet) for anyone
>>>>>trying to upgrade using the graphics interface (yast2). If anyone is interested,
>>>>>I have them in a 256Kb tarball.
>>>>>
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