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Re: A question about a small "makaf"
- To: Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il(at-nospam)future.galanet.net>
- Subject: Re: A question about a small "makaf"
- From: matial(at-nospam)il.ibm.com
- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:49:49 +0200
- cc: Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir(at-nospam)technion.ac.il>, linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il
- Delivered-To: linux.org.il-linux-il@linux.org.il
- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
Windows 2000 has a context menu, and Windows 9x let you enter RLM as
Alt+0254 (ugly, but works), and it would be quite easy to create a hotkey
for entering RLM in a more civilized way. However, the problem as
mentioned by Tzafrir Cohen, is that, because of Microsoft implementation,
people are not used to insert RLM when needed. The solution is, like in
many cases, education.
Doing a hack for charset 1255 (Windows Hebrew) as proposed by Ilya
Konstantinov is, I think, a bad idea. This would really confuse people,
who most of the time are not aware of which charset they use, because this
is an obscure option in their mail or text editing software. Today, we
have incompatibility between Unicode conformant text and MS text, with hope
that MS will conform eventually. With this suggestion, we have
incompatibility forever.
About Jonathan Rosenne's remark that "hyphen-minus is not a maqaf. Unicode
offers both a Hebrew Maqaf and a proper hyphen", I want to say that this
does not help a lot, because what we have on our keyboards is hyphen-minus,
so most users will use it anyway. And most people are not using Unicode
(yet?). Windows 1255 does not have a maqaf like Unicode. However, it does
contain Em-dash and En-dash (U2013 and U2014), so there is a solution.
Again, the problem is to educate users to use it.
Shalom (Regards), Mati
Globalization Center Of Competency - Bidirectional Scripts
IBM Israel
Phone: +972 2 5870999 ext. 1202 Fax: +972 2 5870333
Mobile: +972 52 554160
Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il@future.galanet.net> on 11/02/2001 23:33:14
Please respond to Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il@future.galanet.net>
To: Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir@technion.ac.il>
cc: Matitiahu Allouche/Israel/IBM@IBMIL, linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: A question about a small "makaf"
On Sun, Feb 11, 2001 at 11:08:57PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> Also: there are now a couple of different implementations of input
widgets
> that support bidi. Does any of them try to add such RLM characters?
Windows 2000 has a context menu for every input widget, which allows
inserting special Unicode characters. Just seen it for the first time
today :)
> I'm not satisfied with this behaveiour. Can anybody think of a better
> workaround? A space there is also not a good idea, because the hyphen
here
> is supposed to connected two words to one word.
How's about "fixing the bug" only on Windows 1255 charset? :)
Ugly solution, I know.
--
Best regards,
Ilya Konstantinov
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