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RE: iglu on slashdot
- To: haim(at-nospam)hageltech.com
- Subject: RE: iglu on slashdot
- From: Ariel Biener <ariel(at-nospam)fireball.tau.ac.il>
- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:45:14 +0300 (IDT)
- cc: linux-il(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
- In-Reply-To: <000601c0dc92$ac037ea0$0100a8c0@hagel.co.il>
- Sender: linux-il-bounce(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Haim Gelfenbeyn wrote:
> So I think this is Actcom's job to ensure that their network, routers
> and servers are up to their job, and monitor it 24x7 for possible
> problems. Anything less is incompetence on their side.
Hi,
I think you are mistaken, and I think you are comparing apples with
oranges. Bandwidth in Israel is not a commodity, it's a very expensive
resource, since you have to carry it across the sea. The ISP main
objective is to "make money". Otherwise, it collapses. If, in order to
supply you with your needs, it needs to add 5Mbit of capacity to it's
planned capacity, it costs a FORTUNE. And, unless you wanna pay for a
translatlantic 5Mbit worth of both access (i.e. enlarging a ATM vc) and
traffic, they cannot justify, in a economical point of view, maintaining a
site for you.
In the US, bandwidth is very cheap, and the costs of enlarging a ATM VC
for example are very low, compared to what we have to deal with
here. Thus, they don't mind enlarging capacity, and charging you for extra
traffic (depends what SLA you have with them), since it doesn't hurt them
economically.
Try thinking about how we regard water, and how does Norway regard water.
It is the attitude of the Israeli consumer that drives ISPs (and other
businesses) to the ground, more than their own attitude. For example, have
you ever heard of an Israeli paying for shareware applications ?
It was best that people have a more thorough and deep understanding of the
issues at hand, before expressing themselves....
--Ariel
>
> Just my 2c,
> Haim.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ogoldshmidt@comgates.co.il
> > [mailto:ogoldshmidt@comgates.co.il] On Behalf Of Oleg Goldshmidt
> > Sent: Monday,May 14, 2001 6:57 PM
> > To: guy keren
> > Cc: Chen Shapira; linux-il@linux.org.il
> > Subject: Re: iglu on slashdot
> >
> >
> > guy keren <choo@actcom.co.il> writes:
> >
> > > this wasn't a normal slashdot post. it was an intended test.
> >
> > Even so, the resulting hits were normal for /. There was no traffic
> > generated on purpose.
> >
> > > not everybody places a file on their server and then posts
> > a message to
> > > slashdot. :0
> >
> > You mean, not everybody who creates a web page advertises is on /.?
> > Granted, but so many of them hope that someone will post the
> > link there.
> >
> > > no, but there's a clause regarding ammount of traffic under the
> > > contract... and since we got this service for free, we
> > should try not to
> > > abuse it.
> >
> > Don't read me wrong - I have no objections to co-ordinating with
> > actcom. But certainly I cannot control the rate of download requests
> > outside. I have not read the actcom's (or anyone's) contract, but I
> > would tend to think that actcom reservesthe right to limit the amount
> > of traffic to/from my server, using their own means. But I don't think
> > that "we are shutting your server down, it's too popular" is
> > reasonable.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Oleg Goldshmidt | ogoldshmidt@NOSPAM.computer.org
> >"I'd rather write programs to write programs than write programs."
> >
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Ariel Biener
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