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Re: Bidi support for Linux
- To: Tzafrir Cohen <tzafrir(at-nospam)technion.ac.il>
- Subject: Re: Bidi support for Linux
- From: Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il(at-nospam)future.galanet.net>
- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 19:32:51 +0300
- Cc: Ilya Konstantinov <linux-il(at-nospam)future.galanet.net>, "Nadav Har'El" <nyh(at-nospam)math.technion.ac.il>, Oded Arbel <odeda-linux-il(at-nospam)betalfa.org.il>, Linux-IL Mailing list <linux-il(at-nospam)cs.huji.ac.il>
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On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 07:28:07PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Wed, 9 May 2001, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 06:42:05PM +0300, Nadav Har'El wrote:
> > > And I don't think, by the way, that Windows gives any special meaning to
> > > Ctrl-Shift-F (replace F by whatever character) - if I remember correctly
> > > it just does the normal switch-to-Hebrew thing, and doesn't pass this
> > > sequence to the application. So if I'm right, not even Windows does that
> > > strange overloading of Ctrl-Shift that you propose. But please correct me if
> > > I'm wrong here.
> >
> > True. On Windows, the switch occurs as soon as you press the Ctrl-Shift
> > combo, not when you depress it. Adopting Ctrl-Shift would indeed
> > stop us from using it for anything else inside the relevant application.
> >
> > But then again, it's seems as much friendlier combination than any
> > switching combo made out of distinct keys you might choose. You can
> > simply feel one represents left while the other represents right.
> > Having a "toggling" key would mean a decrease in usability.
>
> Is that so intuitive? What if you have english+russian+hebrew layouts?
> will this toggling seem intuitive then?
I'm speaking of BiDi directionality, not keyboard layouts. Since
directionality has only two distinct states - left and right - having
the combos intuitively located to the left and to the right is good,
while toggling adds confusion (why wonder what mode I am in now, when
I can simply press a harmless combo and be sure?).
As to group-switching, since keysyms can describe it, it's naturally
configurable.
--
Best regards,
Ilya Konstantinov
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