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Re: Local SuSE mirror
- To: Daniel Feiglin <dilogsys(at-nospam)inter.net.il>
- Subject: Re: Local SuSE mirror
- From: Schlomo Schapiro <schapiro(at-nospam)mobileye.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:28:46 +0200 (IST)
- Cc: Gold Edward <avieal(at-nospam)inter.net.il>, Linux Israel <linux-il(at-nospam)linux.org.il>
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Interesting indeed. Maybe they changes something since I used them last
time. Did you try calling ?
Schlomo
PS: Btw, SuSE more and more goes corporate with all the bad parts, too.
On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> I got a reply from order@suse.de, and then it was magically taken over by
> Shelley Davies at SuSE UK, who duckshoved it to Johnathan Thornhill at Bowline,
> their South African distributor. As I said, not-so-politely below, &^%#$% to that!
>
> Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
>
> > Whom did you ask at SuSE Germany about shipping to Israel ? I got a
> > shipment from them some month ago without any problem (except the price).
> >
> > Schlomo
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Gold Edward wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I can give some summary about my "quest" for the official
> >>distribution in Israel SuSE .
> >>
> >>I tried to get SuSE latest version (7.3) from all sources -- and did not
> >>succeed :
> >>PF1 stopped to import it and the same situation with another company
> >>from
> >>Raanana which SuSE site listed as their second Israeli supplier.
> >>Amazon is supplying it in U.S. only (don't know the cause)-- and the
> >>same
> >>situation was encountered after some
> >>non-extensive checkings on other US sw. selling sites .
> >>
> >>BTW- not sure, but SuSE site sells it for 78 US $ "only"-- not 130.
> >>I totaly agree with Nadav-Har'El opinion about this distribution first
> >>class
> >>quality--
> >>I used 6.1 for a long time (bought on BUG on September 1999)--
> >>but on work we could not obtain
> >>SuSE 7.3 (we needed it because we thought that 2.4.15) would
> >>give us some Posix IPC features.
> >>SuSE site mentions that they sell only in E.U. -- very curious
> >>behaviour...
> >>We ended up on RH7.1 (2.4.10 & updated afterwards to 2.4.15).
> >>It is an unfortunate situation that such a succesfull distribution
> >>can not be easily obtained around here-- I mean their all
> >>goodies, i.e. 2300 packages (and manuals).
> >>
> >>Edy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>PF1/REL imported them last time I checked (by phone). I saw it also once
> >>>>in a shop in JM (an old version, of course).
> >>>>
> >>>But they stopped. You can see V7.1 on their site.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>And, they actually do have an excellend Evaluation CD (nobody else has
> >>>>s.th. like this !): It boots a live filesystem from CD with all bells and
> >>>>whistles installed. Including proper setup and it saves all the data +
> >>>>your home dir on the local disk (vfat partition needed).
> >>>>
> >>>>I think this is a very good solution for the evaluation problem and people
> >>>>who want to suck from this a normal installation can just boot it and copy
> >>>>it over to their hard disk (and do normal RPM installs afterwards).
> >>>>
> >>>>Schlomo
> >>>>
> >>>>PS: Download it from ftp://schapiro.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, Schlomo Schapiro wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I also tried to talk to them (and I speak German !) to no avail. I told
> >>>>>>them that their local importers are doing them a dis-service. But they
> >>>>>>told me that they have long-running contracts and that's it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Who is their local importer?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Last time I looked at their site, there was a link to an Israeli reseller.
> >>>>>The site of the Israeli reseller had no mention of SuSE (only of
> >>>>>Mandrake, if you bothered digging deep enough into the site).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Do you see any SuSE in any store? Do you see any Redhat or Mandrake?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>I don't think that the problem is political, though. I see two major
> >>>>>>problems:
> >>>>>>1) Israel is very RedHat centric (we are soooo American !), therefore
> >>>>>>there are not so many (almost NIL) people who would buy SuSE
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>SuSE sells pretty well in the US. Mandrake (originally french) is also
> >>>>>doing well. Maybe some people here have problems with German products (no
> >>>>>flames please, I'm only stating a fact), however I don't think that this
> >>>>>is reflected in the sales of FolksWagen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>2) SuSE doesn't bother to have importers in many countries. They are just
> >>>>>>open for importers to make business with them. I imagine that the
> >>>>>>Situation in Cyprus or Poland is not much better than here. It's just our
> >>>>>>bad luck that we got an "Israeli" SuSE importer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>Hmm...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Also, note that $130 seems pretty close to the SuSE price if you would
> >>>>>>order from them directly (from Germany).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I once ordered a package directly from them for my work and it
> >>>>>>was all very well, except the 60 DM shipping cost.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>130$?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If they don't start handing out evaluation CDs, (almost) no-one in Israel
> >>>>>will bother with that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>Other matters: At various times I've seen SuSE even in BUG!
> >>>
> >>>Why SuSE: I started out with Redhat in 5.1-2 days. 6.0 was a disaster. PF1
> >>>offered me SuSE 6.1 for peanuts, at Computax, and in terms of distro quality and
> >>>scope I never looked back. I must confess that 7.1 was not brilliant, and I
> >>>finished up with what in now SuSE 7.1 and a half - d/l'd kernel 2.4.9 and got
> >>>KDE 2.2.1 from a CD burning outfit in the US (also cost peanuts).
> >>>
> >>>SuSE refused to supply me the 7.2 upgrade: They referred me to their UK dealer
> >>>who said that he could only supply from South Africa. Stuff that. About 7.3:
> >>>There are some rather nasty reviews floating around (LinuxPlanet) for anyone
> >>>trying to upgrade using the graphics interface (yast2). If anyone is interested,
> >>>I have them in a 256Kb tarball.
> >>>
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Schlomo Schapiro
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