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Re: Return to sender...(hum long)
In message <5DBEF4166F@hagiga.jct.ac.il> you write:
|> >So, Dovie - Can your server be set up *not* to reflect those messages
|> >back to the sender? Can you instead just log the undeliverables
|> >somewhere & periodically remove them from the list?
|
|I do log them and remove them but most of them just ask to be put back on
|the list.
Under what address?
Also, what's the point in flooding posters' mailboxes for days after
posting any message? They can't do anything about it (except getting
annoyed and (unjustifiably) shouting at you).
|
|It wont make much of a difference where it is the problem with most of the
|bounced messages is machines that are dial in ppp or slip that some one
|subscribed from his pc in his house and does not get the same ip number
|all the time and his host name is something like prov### where # in the
|hostname is the ip that he happens to have gotten this time he loged in.
Such pathological cases certainly should be off the list! How do they
expect to recieve mail if they can't have a permanent known address???
When I move to a rented appartment in Tel-Aviv I intend to hire a
mailbox in a post office exactly for the same reason - I want to be
sure mail sent to me reaches me wherever I move.
The equivalent options on the net:
1. Get your own domain and/or Internet address.
2. Arrenge with the internet provider to have the same name (and address)
every time you login.
3. Ask the ISP to hold mail for you and retrieve it either through UUCP
or POP (I think this is the best solution and, without experience
with ISP's in Israel, I would expect this to be part of a service
which costs 50$+ a month).
|the second problem it that the service provider is not queueing mail for
|these hosts that can't be found.
|
|and the rest are simple host down (machines do go down sometimes)
|there is a errors_to: field in the header and most mailers know what
|do with the field and send any problem to me and not the list.
It is basic Netiquette (and basic politeness, IMHO) that anyone who
subscribes to a mailing list should take care of his own mail
problems. The list (any list) should not suffer from this (e.g. when
you get your account moved or closed it is customary to unsubscribe or
update the address - the people we are talking about technically get
their account closed every time they disconnect).
Cheers (and thanks for handling the list),
(now back to cleaning disks so they don't fill up with the expected
mail error messages... :)
--Amos
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