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Re: Better FTP mirror in Israel (was: Re: your mail)
On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Gili Granot wrote:
> At the last meeting I was told that the CS department at huji will
> agree to host the mirror, and the huji branch of sunsite may also
> be willing.
> The catch is that they both will not donate the disk needed, so we
> need to get a 2Gb SCSI disk to setup the mirror.
True, I'm the one quoted :)
> We either need to find a donation or to collect money for it.
Hmm... But we should only collect money if we agree it's really necessary (and
no, no one wants another vote). As for a donation, if someone can get it, no
one else would oppose (or so thinks I).
On Nov 5, 3:29pm, Omer Zak wrote:
> The first thought which sprang to my mind is the problem that MACHBA may
> block access to the new FTP site by Israeli companies and persons, who do
> not belong to the .ac.il domain - just as they block access to the
> Technion FTP site.
I don't think they will, at least if it's ftp.huji in question (my ftp site). I
haven't heard of it being closed from machba, but I would like confirmation
from anyone who uses the private providers.
The technion was closed because it's machba's main ftp site, who (and I'm not
working for machba, and I don't agree with this decision, or anything - just
represent their point as I know it) is supposed to serve only paying machba
'customers' as there is money being invested in it. Ftp.huji isn't machba's
main site, and machba dosn't have any money in it, so it shouldn't be closed
(but then again, nobody claims that machba is rational).
> Besides, a FTP site needs not only disk space but also a connection of
> sufficient bandwidth to handle the FTP traffic. Does cs.huji have the
> bandwidth to handle the new FTP site?
huji is on machba's man, and cs huji is fiber-optically connected to that. To
anyone who can get to machba at reasonable rates (I heard ibm.net people can't)
their machba connection would be the bottleeck and not cs.huji's.
> Otherwise, it may be a good idea to try to arrange with one of the
> commercial Internet providers in Israel to sponsor a big FTP site to
> mirror several FTP sites from abroad. Maybe a consortium of several
> Israeli Internet providers. The financing from the new site will be (if
> possible) from savings thanks to reduced FTP traffic to abroad.
Savings of this type are hard to calculate, so someone has to push them hard if
we agree to use this option. If someone does, it would be really nice, but I
doubt this is our simplest option.
> Especially if it is possible to configure this site to be also a big WWW
> proxy cache for the co.il and org.il domains of the Internet.
The provider's interest is to proxy cache themselves and ONLY themselves.
Anything else will cost them money, A LOT of money, and their competitors would
be the main ones to benefit. Mentioning these two lines in front of them is the
sure way to get this project down the drain.
Regards,
Ariel
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