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Re: Departing from linux-il list
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Rani Pinchuk wrote:
> Hi all,
Hi and thanks for an intelligently organized post.
My dear chap, were all the other newbies and less-than-newbies willing
and ready to read not secret and unknown books but the documentation
which comes with the Linux distributions they use, I would flame a lot
less. Alas, this seems to be an impossibility in Israel.
I would site you examples, but you can see most of them on the list
yourself. Many, if not most, newbies here in Israel post FAQ's without
bothering to even flip through the documentation - the Eddie Harari
character is a case in point.
> Today I decided to leave this mailing list. This is due to
This, in my not so humble opinion, is a great pity and below is my
explanation as to why it is a pity.
[snip the discussion of the discussion of my behaviour]
> What are the objectives of linux-il? To show how to embarrass
> people in public?
>
> I think the objectives are to discuss about Linux items and to spread
> knowledge of this great operating system.
It is that indeed. However, and again I can cite several characters - E.
Harari, M. Meirzadeh, B. Beletsky, etc - who are congenitally incapable
of reading documentation but who feel that it is their prerogative to
spill their nonsese to the list.
In fact, I am willing to agree that this is INDEED their prerogative.
However, in that case, it is _MY_ prerogative to act the bogieman.
> I find it stupid and arogant to laugh in public about the ignorance of
> other people. Those people who ask so-called stupid questions might be a
> lot more clever in the future. I would like to help them or at least -
> not to stop them.
I am, more or less, in agreement with you. However, I see nothing wrong
in degrading myself and behaving like the beast that I am. I think that
Yaron was one of the people who was scalded by me but thereafter found me
a perfectly reasonable creature.
> And I would like to see more and more people use Linux. Not only people
> who learned UNIX systems for at least 2 years, not only people who read all
> the books about it, not only people who wrote drivers for the kernel, NOT
> ONLY THE LATIN SPEAKERS!
I agree. But I expect ONE and ONE only criterion from Linux-IL members:
"Ask a question, no matter what it may be, AFTER you have gone through
the documentation available to you." Alas, as I said, almost no one
bothers with this.
> that I have a lot more to learn. And as a learner I'll not stay in a
> place were I'm not welcome.
That is the problem - you:
1. _ARE_ welcome.
2. Should post more often.
3. Should post answers to the questions if you know them.
With respect,
Marc A. Volovic
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My opinions are my own and only my own. Standard disclaimer applies.
Marc A. Volovic (marc@cs.huji.ac.il) Linguists do it cunningly
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