[Prev][Next][Index][Thread]

Re: Departing from linux-il list



On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Ariel Nowersztern wrote:

|>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 15:00:47 +0300 (IDT)
|>From: Ariel Nowersztern <reln@cs.huji.ac.il>
|>To: Rani Pinchuk <pinchuk@kinetica.com>
|>Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
|>Subject: Re: Departing from linux-il list
|>
|>On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Rani Pinchuk wrote:
|>
|>> What are the objectives of linux-il? 
|>
|>Which brings us to a very important issue that may not appear in the FAQ 
|>and may have been forgotten by the list members. When several Israeli 
|>Linux users joined together, after Harvey's post to il.board about Linux 
|>users in Israel some two years back, the original charter for the linux-il 
|>list at Hagiga (the first original thread, daeling with what this list 
|>shoul talk about), concluded that the linux-il list should be a place for 
|>discussion of Israeli and Hebrew specific Linux-related subjects. What 
|>was agreed was that things like questions about Hebrew software, Linux 
|>meetings and installation parties, vendors in Israel etc. are IN. 
|>Questions regarding 'how do I set up the driver for my acme vacumatic 
|>with 3 TB of DRAM' belong to comp.os.linux.*, the linux mailing lists, 
|>and other international forums because they are not specific to Israel. 
|>These kinds of things, it was decided, were OUT.
|>
|>With time, Israeli newbies joined the forum, and looked for answers to 
|>technical questions because the competent members on this list could 
|>supply them. People on the list asked technical questions because such 
|>questiones would be answered in a friendly forum, by people we all know, 
|>rather than by people in Finland we can't phone and ask for step by step 
|>handholding. Some international subscribers joined as well, to take 
|>advantage of this concentration of expertise. This resulted in the list 
|>changing a bit of it's character to include technical questions as well, 
|>although those questions were outside of the original intent of the 
|>founding members.
|>
|>Up to now, anyoew who was on the list back during those good old days can 
|>correct me if I forgot something or if my memory has some serious parity 
|>errors.
|>
|>This is to explain why, when people come with tough technical questions 
|>the manuals can't address, the gurus on the list take the guts out of the 
|>problem, with screwdrivers between their teeth and sparkles in their 
|>eyes. They enjoy it, although, stricktly speaking, those things shouldn't 
|>be on the list. When people come with newbie questions, which could have 
|>been addressed to appropriate forums, which could have been solved by the 
|>different docs, and which all the gurus are tired of answering, the 
|>linux-il veterans feel that they're not on the list for these questions, 
|>that the questions are out of charter, and that the poster should be 
|>marced. 
|>
|>It is also acceptable - net wide - that all available documentation and 
|>all private support should be exhausted before a query is made public. 
|>This is what newbies should be aware of, and this is why we have Marc on 
|>this list. I do not approve of the means Marc uses to get this point 
|>through, but I do approve of the ends he's trying to meet.
|>
|>Let the flame wars begin.

let me say it once again from a point of view of a "newbie"
i'll try to be as specific as i can
and plz fogive my spelling 
i hope it will be better aome day
i joined this list i think about 3/4 mouth a go
when i joined this list  , i didn't know what exactly was it about
i read the FAQ and tryed to get the best of it
before joining the list
i was allready usin' linux for 1/5 a year
i saw ppl posting q to the list and this q were answered ( sometimes )
i did the same
i posted some q 2 the list
also sometimes i got some answers , sometimes i didn't
but sometimes i was getting mesg from marc v. , this msg was only rude
and i didn't get nothing from them but one thing , marc is a rude person
and i don't understand why
i never could understand them and thats what i am trying to say:
ppl never take orders  , and u can never "bark" on a person 
1) nothing will come out of it
2) the person who was the victim will get a filling that somone is trying
to heart him 
whats good in that?
-------------------
if u all "guru" what to have a mail list and don't whant newbies
so why did u open it for public?
for saying:
"read the docs.. u f... sh..." ?
--------------------------------
take me as an example
what i learned from my posting?
thats i am not whanted!
THATS ALL!
 







--
Boris Beletsky
borik@isracom.co.il
borik@borik.isracom.co.il
root@borik.isracom.co.il 


Follow-Ups: References: