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DNS Registration (or: the chicken and the egg)



Hi!

I hope to be on air again on Sunday (I have a frame-relay which was
connected to StarNet Za"L). Meanwhile, I try to configure my own
primary DNS, and enter into a problem of a chicken and an egg:

The IP of most of the domains is decided by accessing a primary DNS
which is part of these domains. e.g. try the command:
	whois -h whois.ripe.net globes.co.il
and you'll find that Globes' primary DNS is dns.globes.co.il
But in order to access dns.globes.co.il, you need its IP, and in
order to have its IP you need its DNS, which is the same one...

I know, when you register a primary DNS you give its IP to registrar,
but it is not registered in the actual record in Internic/RipeNet/etc.
And I know, there are secondary DNSs which can be used instead of the
primary (Globes' secondary, in the above example, is Netvision). But
if the primary is unusable, why do we need it at all?  Give Simon (or
any registrar you contact) only the secondary and that's all...

To be sure, I asked Simon, and he acknowledged that no IP is
registered, so I don't know how to register elmar.co.il by the
primary DNS ns.elmar.co.il...

(For your answer, don't use marmor@elmar.co.il, but 
marmor@macs.biu.ac.il (as the "From:" field of this message header),
or the mailing list; Yes, I re-subscribed myself under the temporary
address).

Thanks in advance for any DNS expert who has an answer for me,
-- 
Eli Marmor