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Re: A call for arms - the future of Hebrew in the digital age
Eli Marmor wrote:
>
> > Now, "logical" hebrew, so I was told is 99% similar to some open
> > standart that Eli Marmor (which is an exclenet source ;-) says exists.
>
> Thanks for the compliment. However, it was another one who mentioned
> this number, not me. You can check the messages in your Trash
> folder. I didn't say "99%", and I didn't say higher or lower number.
> I simply didn't referred to this issue at all.
It was not in the trash and I you are of course right. I apologize for
this mistake (I had just naturally assumed you'd be the source of such
information and the funny thing is that the reaction of a friend of mine
(also on the list) to your email was: "what is he talking about? I'm
sure I've read it in his letter!" ;-)
The person who wrote that figure was Doron Shikmoni and his email
address leads me to believe he is too a reliable source on Internet
affairs...
>
> BTW: Don't blame M$ for pushing "their" standard. I had today a long
> talk with Michael Eitan and Shmil Ginzberg, and I learned amazing
> fact: The adoption of the Hebrew standard in this project was
> dictated by the ...government. M$ tried to argue (!), but the
I never claimed m$ is to be "blamed". I did claim and still claiming
it's a bad choice. I am not anti-m$. M$ products pay my salary (although
I don't usually enjoy using them such as Linux ;-)
> Some people attacked the implicit/logical standard for being
> proprietary and claimed that it is not documented anywhere. You may
> think it to yourself, but before broadcasting these bullshit to
> hundreds of subscribers, please check the facts. Or at least, AT
> LEAST (!!!), make a simple search on the web. You could find
<snipped big part where Eli blames me for not RTFMing... >
No one argues the implicit is better. No one is trying to say you can't
build a program that supports it.
The question here in my view is "who controls the standard?" Is it some
official body of the Israeli government (e.g. Ministry of
communication), a public organization (e.g.ISOC-IL) or a non-israeli
based corporation (e.g. M$)
It is the same, so I believe, as the difference between coding a program
that can read M$-Word DOC files and a program that reads Postscript
files - you can do both, but I am sure you all get the difference.
If you say that the standard of implicit hebrew is NOT controlled by m$,
but rather they are the only one using it then:
a. I was not aware of that (one learns new things every day) and judging
from the replies I got not many do.
b. I call the Jihad off ;-)
c. I am very interested to know who owns it, or is it "in the public
domain"?
This being the case, I think everybody here who gives a damn about this
issue (and judging from the replies I got I would say there are some
peoples here) should go and contribute to the Mozilla
internationalization effort. I, at lest, am going to do just that.
>
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> Eli Marmor
Gilad Ben-Yossef