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Re: Debian 2.0
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Ira Abramov wrote:
> > job! One good example (that even he mentioned), X is not a lined version
> > of the server but a wrapper that handles all the things before calling the
> > Xserver. That way the X server doesn't even have to be suidroot.
>
> and FX86Setup is supposed to still work though, right? it didn't...
FX86Setup works for me when I try to use it, but I prefer using the text
based xf86config. BTW: I was not able to run XF86Setup on few RedHat
machines... Debian never had any problem with it.
One problem I could think of is that you didn't have the svga(I'm not sure
whwether it uses the svga or vga16 server) server installed, but since you
said that you had all the servers installed, it muct be another thing...
>
> > Had he read the documentation, he'd have found out that all he had to do
> > is change the line no-start-xdm in /etc/X11/config to start-xdm. That is
> > all the work that should be done.
BTW: I'm sorry about the HE part, I wrote it last night (today morning) at
about 3:30(AM), and didn't notice that you sent it (I thought that some
one on the list sent a report he found on the 'net).
Sorry for being rude few times in the mail (I'm not in my best condition 2
days before having to hand in an unfinished project..., and I didn't
realize that I'm answering the real person (Especially you, Ira)) Next
time I'll check to see the sender. I know you know a hell lot about Linux.
Sorry again.
>
> ahh, had HE read my message all the way you would have seen that I
> specifically decided NOT to read any docs and see how intuitive it is, ,as
> someone from SVLUG sugested to me off-list. XDM is started by init on most
> distros I've seen, that's why I went to look in inittab first.
Fair enough. I think that in this part knowing too much isn't good
either... I think that for the nwebie, changing a line in a regular config
file is easier then trying to understand inittab. Moreover, the
experienced user can take one of the unused levels and make them start
xdm. (I like the other option better, but didn't offer it since I though I
was answering a newcomer and didn't want to frighten you. Sorry again.)
>
> I don't mind doing all the configs myself, in fact I prefer it (even
> though I guess Debian doesn't include a "control panel" anyway), but all I
> was saying is that Debian has the habbit of rearanging the blind man's
> furniture. now where is the braile version of that manual?
You might have a point here. On the other hand, Debian was my first distro,
so it took me some time getting used to RedHat. BTW: I think that someone
is working on a userfriendly config. program.
>
> > I don't see any problem with the way Debian handles runlevels. In fact I
> > think it is done better then RedHat does it. This guy knows RedHat and is
> > not willing to learn new things.
>
> I run RedHt, SuSE, SunOS, Solaris, AIX, Irix, DECunix, HPUX and lately
> dropped our last Slackware and Sony NewsOS. change that: I don't run, I
> administrate them. I see stupidities in commercial software and learn to
> live with it, I can't forgive Open-Source projects, especially
> distributions in the same way, because I expect a higher level of
> usability (and it usually lives up to thos expectations)
I still don't understand what is the problem with the way Debian handles
runlevels.
>
> > > finally, now that X starts and the various WMs automatically register the
> > > installed apps in their menues (not ALL the apps, but the highest number
> > > of them I've seen for a distro), but.. but.. but... why can't I choose to
> > > switch to Afterstep? :-) I'll have edit my .xinitrc for that I guess...
> >
> > Nope, there is an easier way. Just add the init. to AfterStep in the first
> > line of /etc/X11/window-managers. An easier way, would be to install
> > AfterStep and it asks you whether you want it to be the default wm.
> > BTW: If he's afraid of editing config. files, why did he choose Linux in
> > the first place?!?!?
>
> I'm not afraid (hello! I'm here! could you stop talking to me in
> third-body?), I just expect automation to work smoother in such a long
Sorry again. I didn't know it was you...
> awated version of the distro. afterstep DID install itself and like many
> others I told it not to be the default, yet I can choose the others from a
> submenu, and not afterstep.
Ahh, now I understand what you mean. Well, I think that the AfterStep
maintainer forgot to add it to the menu, he's only a human after all...
If it really bothers you you can file a bug report and it will be fixed.
>
> furthermore, it's evident that you are not a sysadmin. screwing with
> /etc/X11/ and /user/X11/ files is no way to change personal prefs. that's
> where .xinitrc comes in (I don't want everyone on my system to be driven
> nuts by changes I made...)
I know about .xinitrc, I thought you meant making it the default FOR THE
WHOLE SITE. I didn't understand you wanted to use AfterStep just for the
current session (or user). BTW: There is a newer package of AfterStep, if
I'm not mistaken. Try looking for it in updates or in the slink tree, it
might fix the menu problem.
>
> > I think that Debian is a perfect choice for a server. I can write a lot
> > more why I think that Debian is better then RedHat and give many examples
> > (and examples where RedHat is better then Debian), but I'm tired now,
>
> post something when you wake up, I'd like to know more about this dist
> from people with experiance (Marc?).
I'll send a more detailed letter in few days, as I wrote before, I have a
huge project to hand in and hard exams on the 1,2,3,6 of September.
After that I'll be more than willing to talk about Debian (or anything
else...)
> Thanks for listening, tune in again tommorow :)
Thanks you for not flaming me after such a letter, sorry again. I didn't
know it was you, and even if I didn't I shouldn't have written the letter
the way I did.
Bye,
Liran.
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