I was fed up with recieving all those annoying mail messages from mailpush, I wrote them a complaint letter. their glorious system BOUNCED my letter, since apperently their mail agent doesn't even know it's supposed to handle necs.co.il's mail. attached is my letter to them for several reasons: I know it pissed quite a few people on the list in the past, I would like to point out that there is action to be taken against those shmucks. I'm also posting this in a public place (although EXTEREMLY off topic!) maybe one of necs' people will read it and pass on the message. I'm hereby starting to BLOCK messages originating from necs.co.il and mailpush.com both by return address and IP source address, I've had enough with those bouncing messages, feel free to do the same if you run your own mail server, or at least can filter your own mail. finally, I'd I'm asking you to all stop using their business. they are spammers, I have notified them of their wrong-doings in the past and they have never ceased to cause those troubles. their service is nothing but an Email and password collection machine, that spams uncontrolably at any poster whose mail will reach your box. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:15:09 +0200 From: Mail Administrator <Postmaster@netpeer1.necs.co.il> To: ira@scso.com Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: A message was not delivered because a loop was found in the Mail eXchanger (MX) record database. The destination host has an MX record that points to this host, but there is no account for the recipient. Here are a few possible solutions for clearing up this problem: - return the mail since the address was invalid - fix the MX records in the DNS for the host in question and then resubmit the message - add an account or alias for the recipient on this machine and then resubmit the message If this machine should be handling all mail for the destination host, it should be added to the list of Local-Mail-Domains in the "system" configuration. Destination host: necs.co.il The following recipients did not receive this message: <abuse@necs.co.il> Please reply to Postmaster@netpeer1.necs.co.il if you feel this message to be in error.
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- To: support@necs.co.il
- Subject: Re: Confirm:
- From: Ira Abramov <ira@scso.com>
- Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 00:47:29 -0700 (PDT)
- cc: abuse@necs.co.il, root@necs.co.il, webmaster@necs.co.il, system@necs.co.il, administrator@necs.co.il, system@netvision.net.il, abuse@netvision.net.il
- In-Reply-To: <19980417063133493.AAA215.262@[199.203.214.11]>
On Fri, 17 Apr 1998, Yossie Mousalli wrote: > Dear Ira Abramov > > Yes, on Apr 17 1998 8:32AM, I was notified of the above Email message by > receiving a short message on my cellular phone screen, with your email subject and sender. > > By M@ilPush System, http://www.mailpush.com > > Thank you > Yossie Mousalli this is the last time I will accept this! I had a long and I thought concluding discussion with one of your tech people about these notifications. I AM NOT INTERESTED TO KNOW who on the mailing list I posted to is using your service. it is called SPAMMING when you send me these unsolicited Emails. in the US here you are liable to be sued for $500 each time you do this (not joking!). there is a VERY simple way of checking if an Email was sent to a person directly or through a mailing list. the simple Unix utility "vacation" does it for years. yet every time I post to an Israeli mailing list lately, I get 5 or 6 messages about beepers and cellphones getting my message. I AM NOT INTERESTED IN KNOWING THAT! the next time I will recieve such a message, necs and mailpush's domains will be BLOCKED FROM MY EMAIL. I must also warn you that I am active in several groups of anti-spamming on the net, and you may find yourself blacklisted from more sites than you would want to!! This is not an irrational threat, your service IS in actuallity meeting the definition of a mass spammer!!! to Netvision: your client, necs.co.il has been spamming for quite a while now, and has annoyed many mailing list users like me, and others I have talked to. the spams necs sends to mailing lists and mailing lists recievers bounces sometimes just to the poster, but I have witnessed two cases where it started looping messages to the list itself. this is abusive, dangerous and has got to stop! if they cannot control their own system, I request that you, as their ISP, do something to tame their reckless attitude towards Cyber citizens. Good day. -- Ira Abramov <ira(a)scso.com> whois: IA58 (a linux enthuseist) `Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.' -- Darth Vader
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