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Re: Mailpush automatic notification



On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:

  Hi,


   Ok. I think we've said enough to MailPush's support about their
problem. I suggest we let them implement something that is acceptable for
both sides. I've talked on the phone with Ariel from MailPush, and offered
a few possible solutions, let us see what they can do. After all, we want
them to respect our privacy, but we don't have something personal against
them, in order to want them to never make a penny out of their services,
right ?

Best,

--Ariel


> Or better, automatically SEND BACK each message from that domain with a
> "REJECTED" subject to the address specified in the Reply-To address.
> 
> After all, WE have the right to send them any bloody thing they want if
> they assume the same right to the list...
> 
> After enough mailing lists will do the same, I think they will get the
> hint.
> 
> Gilad.
> 
> Ariel Biener wrote:
> >
> > On 26 Nov 1998, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
> >
> >IMHO, we could reject all incoming mail from mailpush.com at linux.org.il
> > mailserver.
> >
> > --Ariel
> >
> > > tuvia beker <becket@cc.huji.ac.il> writes:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 25 Nov 1998, mailpush support wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dear Tuvia Beker
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your note.
> > > > > Mailpush Users have an option to activate or deactivate auto-confirm for
> > > > > their e-mail notification.
> > > > > It is fully under their hands whether to activate it or to stop it.
> > > > > If you feel uncomfortable because of that you can alwyas apply the
> > > > > spcific user and ask him to unable this feature.
> > > > > We dont consider it a SPAM but a way to inform you that the recipient
> > > > > recieved the e-mail (even big and honored internet providers in israel
> > > > > suggest such feature).
> > > >
> > > > Dear Ariel,
> > > >
> > > > I'm well aware of your company policy.
> > > > Whether you admit it or not, this is bold SPAMming. This 'feature' should
> > > > not be available AT ALL, as it is a nuisance to the general public.
> > > > Just to give you a clear example: I'm subscribed to several mailing lists
> > > > with an average size of about 300 members. Suppose 100 people in such a
> > > > list aremailpush subscribers, and 50 out of those chose to enable your
> > > > 'special feature'. Now whenever I send email to the list I will receive 50
> > > > unsolicited 'replies' from people I do not even know.
> > >
> > > Actually, quite a bit more. Recently I got 4 (!) notifications from
> > > support@mailpush.com from the _same_ person after sending one message
> > > to one mailing list. To re-iterate, I got 4 completely useless and
> > > annoying messages because 1 (!) subscriber to a mailing list used the
> > > "feature".
> > >
> > > Since then I push all mail with support@mailpush.com in the "Reply-To"
> > > field into /dev/null, but that is not a full solution since bandwidth
> > > is still being wasted.
> > >
> > > ATTENTION MAILPUSH -- A SUGGESTION FOLLOWS:
> > >
> > > Admittedly, anyone can set up such automatic notification on one's own
> > > computer, for instance with the "vacation" program, andone might have
> > > a good reason for that. However, and this is something Mailpush must
> > > take into account, "vacation" (or at least its newer versions) does
> > > not send notifications of messages that have "Precedence:" set to
> > > "bulk", "junk", or "list". So the problem with the "feature" in
> > > question is not so much its existence as its implementation. Making
> > > the software ignore messages based on the "Precedence:" field would
> > > solve the problem for mailing list postings. Beyond that, anyone can
> > > flame any particular user who chooses to use notification without a
> > > good reason.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Oleg Goldshmidt      goldshmt@netvision.net.il
> > > BLOOMBERG L.P. (BFM) oleg@bfr.co.il
> > >
> >
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> >  | Ariel Biener                                                  |
> >  | e-mail: ariel@post.tau.ac.il           Work phone: 03-6406086 |
> >  | fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC |
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   | Ariel Biener                                                  |
   | e-mail: ariel@post.tau.ac.il           Work phone: 03-6406086 |
   | fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC |
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