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Re: M$ IL latest craze



All you say its correct. But !!! you didn't understood what i wrote, and this remind
me the story about how potatoes arrived Europe.

When the Potatoes just arrived from America no one wanted to touch it because all
the peasant thought that its the "Devil fruit", So the wise king made a big garden
which was planted only with potatoes and then he put lots of gourds around it, so no
one could get the potatoes.

Then he told his people that the potatoes are made only for king because their great
taste ... blh blh

After a short time all the market was full of potatoes and no one thought its the
devil fruit.

WHAT I MEAN
is that its not Q. of ethics but its simple the nature of human kind

After he secured the garden he formed his people

Liran Zvibel wrote:

> I'm joining this discussion a bit late, so I'll Cut'n'Paste from several
> emails. I'll snip emails without using the <snip> keyword.
>
> At the end there are some additional assorted things from me.
> s.
>
> Quoting Ben Nes Michael <miki@canaan.co.il>:
> > In the age that software products are selling in millions of peaces there is
> > no reason why the price is so high (I believe that on each 1 legal program
> > there are at least 5 not).
> >
> > But if the software company would reduce the price (lets say half) she will
> > double her sells because one of the 5 thief's will say "In this price ?
> > i wont steal ! its not worth me !"
>
> The problem is that software products are not hotdogs that can be cooked in 5
> minutes. The software companies spend years to ship high-quality products,
> and don't want to see them being sold for 20$ a piece! It's insulting!
>
> If you don't think that the products worth the price you have to pay -- simply
> don't use them and find some better products that do worth their price (or an
> open sourced alternative). If you do believe that those products' quality is
> high enough for you to use it every day (or week/month/year) you should also
> pay for them!!!!
>
> Here begins my part:
> As a programmer (and a former sysadmin) that works both at a commercial
> company and at home when I have some spare time, it makes me really angry to
> read opinions like most of you expressed.
>
> A programming team (or a single programmer) has a lot of work to do before the
> wonderful moment of product shipment arrives. When that moment comes, however,
> the company has to make money so it can pay all the programmers that worked on
> that project. Thus it sells licenses of the product to the masses, and pay the
> programmers .You should also remember that the company paid all of the team
> members for the last few years without income, and also had to pay some other
> bills. You see, software companies don't get rent/electricity/water/food for
> free, and even though people don't go to jail if their debts are not paid they
> usually pay all of the bills...
>
> When I program at my own time, I let every one use it and even lets them use
> the source code. But I don't have to. I use the GPL since I believe that we
> should share our intellectual property, and since I have a (very well) paying
> job that lets me do that.
>
> If people would not pay my company I would not be able to release my code,
> since I would have to make money form it. But wait, people will not pay me
> too, so I will have to stop programming and find a better paying (!) job.
> You will have only one minor problem, though. I will not be the only one. Once
> software companies stop being profitable, you won't have good software
> products anymore.
>
> Another important point is the following: Only the programmer (or the
> company he/she works at) can decide how he wants to release his product. You
> don't get to vote here. If the programmer decided to use the GPL (or some
> artistic or other license) -- good for you, if the programmer decided that
> you  should pay in order to use his product (that he spent a lot of time
> working on), and you decide that you need this piece of software, you have to
> pay him!
>
> I think that we should enforce that copyright laws some more in Israel. The
> problem is that neither the police, nor the people at the Knesset actually
> understand about those issues (I'm willing to bet that every Knesset (either
> one of the to we have right now) member have a computer full of ILLEGAL
> software in it at home.)
>
> Enforcement should not be that hard to accomplish. All you have to do is
> decide on the punishment (say pay triple the price of the stolen software on
> your computer to the companies that created it, or your computer will be taken
> away from you.) and special agents will go from house to house and check for
> the validity of the licenses.
>
> This will solve several problems:
> 1. It will give jobs to a lot of unemployed people (the software companies
>   will be able to pay them once they bring the money to the real owner
>   (software companies)
> 2. People will pay for the software they use.
> 3. People will understand that software, (like hardware and most of the rest
>    of the things in life) costs money.
> 4. The software companies will have more money to invest in the development
>    cycle, so the quality of their future products will be higher.
>
> Now lets get back to the topic: I think that at a Microsoft event I
> participated few months ago, they stated that they will develop their future
> products with internal bidi support, so there will be no need for special
> porting it to Hebrew. I might not remember it correctly , though.
>
> Liran.
> --
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