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Re: [FLAME!!!] Re: downloading software



Omer Zak wrote:
> 
> Hello Yoni,
> 
> > > Letting aside both my wrong answer and Mr. biggo@netvision.net.il obvious
> > > problems with his well, eh.. *shortcomings*,  he does raise an interesting
> > > point - what is this list for?
> >
> > Man, politeness is your enemy, isnt it?
> 
> I am sorry to say this to you but you, Yoni, are the one who was impolite.
> Not Gilad.  You are the one who wasted the time of the subscribers of the
> Linux-IL mailing list with your newbie questions.
> 
> The Linux-IL FAQ and other resources provide the E-mail addresses of some
> volunteers who would have been glad to help you in private, if you asked
> them in private your questions.  They volunteered to field your newbie
> questions so that the other list members won't have to waste their time
> reading your questions.
> 
[SNIP]
> 
> But instead of such a constructive action, you post a newbie question to
> the Linux-IL mailing list and then whine about the treatment you got from
> other members.  Go jerk off your impotent organ, loser!

Hmmm....
I bet that if you read the thread you'd see I was not the one with the
stupid question.
(and not the one with the stupid answer - i might add)

> > > That's right, Mr. Biggo, not all questions are welcomed! They haven't been
> > > welcomed here from before this list organized the the second show at
> > > Computex where I helped carry those Alpha's to "Ganey Ha Tarooha", they
> > > weren't welcome when the people of this list were guests in my house in an
> > > "official" Linux-il meating (no! it's not a spelling mistake ;-) and they
> > > were not welcomed since before this list had an FAQ (have you ever read
> > > it?).
> >
> > So you are veteran, that makes you what? god?
> 
> Gilad is not God, but he expressed an opinion with which several other
> Linux-IL members (including me) agree.  Even those who disagree now, would
> with time see the truth of Gilad's opinion and come to agree with it - as
> they see more and more examples of newbie questions (like your questions)
> and realize how repetitive and time-wasting are those questions.

I am not the one who asked the question.
but if you reply to such questions with contempt as you do now,
these people will stay with the windooz community where people dont
treat them like assholes. After that you are the ones who are trying to
convince people to use Linux and wonder why the dont want it. (hint:
people dont like to feel like idiots and be humiliated)
 
> > > So you see, my dear "Biggo", I said what I said with (some) authority.  Of
> > > course, times change. Maybe the people on the list today think otherwise.
> > > But unless you're willing to organise enough peple rise up and say: "Yes!
> > > Linux-il is fr newbie questions!" then the Status-Quo remains - this list is
> > > for a *professional* discussions about Linux in general and in Israel.
> > > Questions about problems downloading files from Finland are off-topic.
> >
> > That is correct, and your twisting my words.
> > I have said that problems regarding to gzip or anything similar is is
> > (somewhat) on topic.
> 
> Maybe, if they were not newbie problems.  Trouble is that your problems
> were newbie problems.  Even if you were not sure if they are newbie or
> professional level, you should have first asked a volunteer and only if he
> could't help you, then it would have been proper for you to the list
> itself.

once again, I would not ask this question, I would have looked in the
man page, or contacted (personaly) anyone who is related to the file
with the problem.
but it doesnt mean that the poster should be flamed.

> > > Just take into account that for list such as this to have any value, the
> > > noise to data ratio must be below a certain level, after which the list is
> > > useless. At that point the people in the know form other means of
> > > communication and the rest of the bunch stays to "enjoy" post such as the
> > > subject of this thread.
> 
> AMEN!
> 
> > > One can very well see that this proccess has already began with Linux-il,
> > > but does not mean that it cannot be reversed. The question is basically,
> > > what do you want this list to be?
> >
> > Well, thats rather elitistic.
> > the "This list is for serious hackers, beware you lamer dumbass" kind.
> > AFAIK Linux was created for all. not only for veteran elitistic snobs.
> > In one hand I hear "lets form insta-parties and help people with linux",
> > but on the other hand I hear "go away you're distubing me, you
> > low-lifes" and
> > "If you dont know Linux, dont use it, asshole" from you.
> 
> This "elitist" policy was formed after long experience with other Internet
> mailing lists.  We realized early on the game that there are newbies, who
> need to be given helping hand.  We organized so that they will receive the
> help, which they need without disturbing more than one or two "elitist"
> "veteran" volunteers.  If you did not take advantage of this organization,
> then it is your own error.  Go jerk off your impotent organ, loser!

Oh yeah, your creativity at its best.
You better be a copyrighter, you have a talent for it.
 
> > Yes I'm new here, If thats the spirit (which I havnt discovered since
> > today),
> > I would proudly say "You're making me sick, arogant bastards".
> > But from my point of view this is not.
> > (if it does please tell me and I'll unsubscribe in a jiffy)
> 
> The rules of the list were formulated, among other things, to allow
> newbies to be helped with minimum of time waste of the old timers.  If you
> prefer not to follow those rules and thus make nuisance of yourself, then
> it's just too bad.  Go jerk off your impotent organ, loser!

Oh yeah!
Once again you manage to surprise me with your wits.
You better get a t-shirt with your delightful slogan.
 
> > then I guess this list is a flame list!
> > forget newbie's questions annoying you, lets make war!
> > get over it man.
> 
> Once each few months we have such a flame war with a newbie whiner.  This
> time it was your turn, Yoni, to be that newbie whiner.  You are not the
> first to invent this kind of complaint.  Neither will you be the last, I
> am afraid.

Well, I am the whiner because I think being as snob as you are is a bad
quality?
Get off you ego trip, so you know Linux better than some other guys. Big
deal.
You're not king of anything, you're just an annoying person.
("Whoo hoo, I'm better than you, you suck, you are shit, if I killed you
nobody would care")

-- 

There are no big words, just little people.