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Re: downloading software
Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yoni Elhanani <biggo@netvision.net.il>
> To: Gilad Ben-Yossef <gby@gtek.co.il>
> Cc: Raanan Nitzen <s2961221@techst02.technion.ac.il>; Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
> <Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: downloading software
>
> >Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
>
> >> The error you made has nothing to do with the site of download:
> >> tar.gz files (or tgz as they sometime knows as) is to be opend with the
> tar
> >> and gzip programs and NOT with gunzip (which is for ZIP files only)
> >
>
> OK.
> You got me ;-)
> I made my monthly(?) blooper ... I just chekd the man page and, of course,
> gunzip will happily deal with .tgz , .Z and the rest of the bunch as well
> (what about .bz2?!)
> My suggestion has the advantage that it would have untared the file as well
> but that is beside the point.
> I can only adhere to Tzu Lao's advice and "Welcome disgrace as a pleasant
> suprise". Thanks for correcting me ;-)
>
> Now for something completly different:
>
> >> Please note that this list is not a place to ask these kinds questions.
> If
> >> you have similar questions in the future, please send them directly to me
> at
> >> gilad@benyossef.com and don't bother this list about them or even
> better -
> >> try to get some good book about Unix/Linux basics and read it.
> >
> >Yeah, that's your email. i just sent all my internet passwords to there,
> >go fetch it.
>
> (How amuzing. This kid doesn't know how to use "whois". Oh, right, it
> doesn't come with a KDE GUI...)
I didnt have to run anything.
Your email (according to the headers of your mail) is gby@gtek.co.il -
Judging from your post, the spirit was "go to hell and dont bother us
anymore",
such letters are usualy accompanied with email in the form of:
yeah@right.com billg@microsoft.com dont@tell.you.com bite@me.com and
other fake emails made for to point of a joke.
sorry if I didnt take the second to check out if you do have that
domain.
(i dont use KDE, I think it's too much like windooz but thats besides
the point)
> >If somebody has a question, doesnt matter how stupid it is he can ask it
> >in here.
> >although this was fairly unrelated, (why ftp to a remote server doesnt
> >work)
> >a question like "how do i use gzip, i hadnt found a howto on it and i
> >dont have a book" is an ok question to ask, and thats the idea of LUGs.
> >
> >considering your wrong answer to him (gunzip unzip only pkzip files) I
> >dont think you have a say on "what is stupid" around here.
> >
> >(although I ask some fairly stupid questions too from time to time...)
>
> Letting aside both my wrong answer and Mr. biggo@netvision.net.il obvious
> problems with his well, eh.. *shortcomings*, he does raise an interesting
> point - what is this list for?
Man, politeness is your enemy, isnt it?
> Way back, when the stable kernel was version 1.0.x, the founder of this list
> was still sunscribed and people like Mr. "Biggo" here were taken care of
> with vegenense by those more worthy to the task then yours truely (Hi,
> Marc - you still here? ;-) this list was a fine resources for Linux lovers
> in Israel.
Is modesty yet another enemy of yours?
> True, we have stopped flogging newbies with SCSI cables (to the regret of
> some), but AFAIK the mandate of this list never was and still isn't to hand
> hold newbies.
>
> That's right, Mr. Biggo, not all questions are welcomed! They haven't been
> welcomed here from before this list organized the the second show at
> Computex where I helped carry those Alpha's to "Ganey Ha Tarooha", they
> weren't welcome when the people of this list were guests in my house in an
> "official" Linux-il meating (no! it's not a spelling mistake ;-) and they
> were not welcomed since before this list had an FAQ (have you ever read
> it?).
So you are veteran, that makes you what? god?
> So you see, my dear "Biggo", I said what I said with (some) authority. Of
> course, times change. Maybe the people on the list today think otherwise.
> But unless you're willing to organise enough peple rise up and say: "Yes!
> Linux-il is fr newbie questions!" then the Status-Quo remains - this list is
> for a *professional* discussions about Linux in general and in Israel.
> Questions about problems downloading files from Finland are off-topic.
That is correct, and your twisting my words.
I have said that problems regarding to gzip or anything similar is is
(somewhat) on topic.
> Just take into account that for list such as this to have any value, the
> noise to data ratio must be below a certain level, after which the list is
> useless. At that point the people in the know form other means of
> communication and the rest of the bunch stays to "enjoy" post such as the
> subject of this thread.
> One can very well see that this proccess has already began with Linux-il,
> but does not mean that it cannot be reversed. The question is basically,
> what do you want this list to be?
Well, thats rather elitistic.
the "This list is for serious hackers, beware you lamer dumbass" kind.
AFAIK Linux was created for all. not only for veteran elitistic snobs.
In one hand I hear "lets form insta-parties and help people with linux",
but on the other hand I hear "go away you're distubing me, you
low-lifes" and
"If you dont know Linux, dont use it, asshole" from you.
Yes I'm new here, If thats the spirit (which I havnt discovered since
today),
I would proudly say "You're making me sick, arogant bastards".
But from my point of view this is not.
(if it does please tell me and I'll unsubscribe in a jiffy)
> OK, Let the flames begin... (or rather, continue ;-)
then I guess this list is a flame list!
forget newbie's questions annoying you, lets make war!
get over it man.
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Gilad.
--
There are no big words, just little people.