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Re: Linux Demo Day



Vadim Penzin wrote:
> 
> Yoni Elhanani wrote:
> 
> > Vadim Penzin wrote:
> > >
> > > > We need ideas as to what we should demonstrate.
> > >
> > > WE MUST SHOW AS MUCH HEBREW DESKTOP APPLICATIONS AS POSSIBLE.
> >
> > I agree.
> > Good hebrew things to show:
> > KDE hebrew support (as in hebrew menus and localization),
> > GTK Hebrew support (as in the the reflected text widgets Dov had made)
> > Most important: The hebrew Netscape, which (hopefuly) will be released
> > until then.
> > The hebrew Netscape is a killer.
> >
> > > Unfortunately, I am very far from being up-to-date in this area.
> > > It would be nice of someone competent to compose a 'wish-list' of
> > > what can be shown at the Demo Day.
> >
> > Most trivial, GNOME and KDE, and how cool they are.
> >
> 
> I meant being out-of-date with regard to /Hebrew desktop
> applications/. We're fighting for /desktop users/ not for
> sysadmins or developers (they /know/ what Linux is if they live
> on Earth). So let me ask you again -- are there applications that
> can serve as close replacement for Microsoft Office Hebrew
> Edition?

All of the things I have listed are generaly for desktop users.
(with the exception of commanche, the apache config util)
They are meant to refute the "linux is hard to use" and "linux has no
software" arguments.
(which I hear quite a lot from my friends)

And we do fight for developers (not sysadmins).
The more developers we'll have, the more Linux software.
(israeli developers can help solve the hebrew issues).
There are many developers whom I know, that hate UNIX and swear by
Microsft Visual Suite.

> We should prove that one doesn't need to buy everything from
> Microsoft to make sure his daughter can submit her annual work on
> history at the school. Personally I am sick of MS Office, but it
> does most of the things your average Hebrew speaker wants from
> his/er home computer. And it does now. And what it produces has
> acceptable quality. If we want to convince others we must be
> prepared to answer these questions.
 
StarDivision has plans to add hebrew support for the next StarOffice, so
I've heard.
So, you can tell them to act as my family does (I convinced them to use
Linux):
"You can keep windows and erase it when you will not need it anymore".
(I think many people will keep windows and use linux anyway).

There is another idea which my friend gave me a while ago.
He didn't have word as well, so he used Netscape Composer to write
documents.
(if he used word he would save it as html anyway).
With the hebrew Netscape (which I think has the most impressive hebrew
support on linux),
users will be able to write in hebrew too.
(I have seen composer work in hebrew, and it did it well).

Basicly, Netscape has many Office capabilities,
Word will be replaced by Composer,
PowerPoint can be replaced by Navigator (Dynamic HTML),
Internet Explorer (now a part of office) will be replaced with Navigator
too,
and Outlook can be replaced by Messenger.
The only missing feature is Excel, 

Ofcourse using Netscape as our Office suite is less than a perfect
solution,
but I think that when StarOffice will support hebrew we will no have
too.
(and it will be soon, hopefully)
Until then, this is what we can show (afaik).

Cheers,
Yoni.

-- 

The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck,
is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners...

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