take a look at the GNOME home page. there's a not-so-obvious link at the bottom of the page, under the table , on the right. - also, while we're on the topic - GNOME have a link to KDE on their links page, but at the bottom, after all of the other links (which is to say -there's not many of them , and all of them are right on the topic) I'd like to see KDE do the same . Oded