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Re: M$ IL latest craze



This thread now revolves around stories about potatoes, and dictionary
entries. Don't you think it's time this goes OFF linux-il ?

Ors

On Tue, 1 Jun 1999, Ben Nes Michael wrote:

> All you say its correct. But !!! you didn't understood what i wrote, and this remind
> me the story about how potatoes arrived Europe.
> 
> When the Potatoes just arrived from America no one wanted to touch it because all
> the peasant thought that its the "Devil fruit", So the wise king made a big garden
> which was planted only with potatoes and then he put lots of gourds around it, so no
> one could get the potatoes.
> 
> Then he told his people that the potatoes are made only for king because their great
> taste ... blh blh
> 
> After a short time all the market was full of potatoes and no one thought its the
> devil fruit.
> 
> WHAT I MEAN
> is that its not Q. of ethics but its simple the nature of human kind
> 
> After he secured the garden he formed his people
> 
> Liran Zvibel wrote:
> 
> > I'm joining this discussion a bit late, so I'll Cut'n'Paste from several
> > emails. I'll snip emails without using the <snip> keyword.
> >
> > At the end there are some additional assorted things from me.
> > s.
> >
> > Quoting Ben Nes Michael <miki@canaan.co.il>:
> > > In the age that software products are selling in millions of peaces there is
> > > no reason why the price is so high (I believe that on each 1 legal program
> > > there are at least 5 not).
> > >
> > > But if the software company would reduce the price (lets say half) she will
> > > double her sells because one of the 5 thief's will say "In this price ?
> > > i wont steal ! its not worth me !"
> >
> > The problem is that software products are not hotdogs that can be cooked in 5
> > minutes. The software companies spend years to ship high-quality products,
> > and don't want to see them being sold for 20$ a piece! It's insulting!
> >
> > If you don't think that the products worth the price you have to pay -- simply
> > don't use them and find some better products that do worth their price (or an
> > open sourced alternative). If you do believe that those products' quality is
> > high enough for you to use it every day (or week/month/year) you should also
> > pay for them!!!!
> >
> > Here begins my part:
> > As a programmer (and a former sysadmin) that works both at a commercial
> > company and at home when I have some spare time, it makes me really angry to
> > read opinions like most of you expressed.
> >
> > A programming team (or a single programmer) has a lot of work to do before the
> > wonderful moment of product shipment arrives. When that moment comes, however,
> > the company has to make money so it can pay all the programmers that worked on
> > that project. Thus it sells licenses of theproduct to the masses, and pay the
> > programmers .You should also remember that the company paid all of the team
> > members for the last few years without income, and also had to pay some other
> > bills. You see, software companies don't get rent/electricity/water/food for
> > free, and even though people don't go to jail if their debts are not paid they
> > usually pay all of the bills...
> >
> > When I program at my own time, I let every one use it and even lets them use
> > the source code. But I don't have to. I use the GPL since I believe that we
> > should share our intellectual property, and since I have a (very well) paying
> > job that lets me do that.
> >
> > If people would not pay my company I would not be able to release my code,
> > since I would have to make money form it. But wait, people will not pay me
> > too, so I will have to stop programming and find a better paying (!) job.
> > You will have only one minor problem, though. I will not be the only one. Once
> > software companies stop being profitable, you won't have good software
> > products anymore.
> >
> > Another important point is the following: Only the programmer (or the
> > company he/she works at) can decide how he wants to release his product. You
> > don't get to vote here. If the programmer decided to use the GPL (or some
> > artistic or other license) -- good for you, if the programmer decided that
> > you  should pay in order to use his product (that he spent a lot of time
> > working on), and you decide that you need this piece of software, you have to
> > pay him!
> >
> > I think that we should enforce that copyright laws some more in Israel. The
> > problem is that neither the police, nor the people at the Knesset actually
> > understand about those issues (I'm willing to bet that every Knesset (either
> > one of the to we have right now) member have a computer full of ILLEGAL
> > software in it at home.)
> >
> > Enforcement should not be that hard to accomplish. All you have to do is
> > decide on the punishment (say pay triple the price of thestolen software on
> > your computer to the companies that created it, or your computer will be taken
> > away from you.) and special agents will go from house to house and check for
> > the validity of the licenses.
> >
> > This will solve several problems:
> > 1. It will give jobs to a lot of unemployed people (the software companies
> >   will be able to pay them once they bring the money to the real owner
> >   (software companies)
> > 2. People will pay for the software they use.
> > 3. People will understandthat software, (like hardware and most of the rest
> >    of the things in life) costs money.
> > 4. The software companies will have more money to invest in the development
> >    cycle, so the quality of their future products will be higher.
> >
> > Now lets get back to the topic: I think that at a Microsoft event I
> > participated few months ago, they stated that they will develop their future
> > products with internal bidi support, so there will be no need for special
> > porting it to Hebrew. I might not remember it correctly , though.
> >
> > Liran.
> > --
> > __________________________________________________________________________
> > Liran Zvibel.                            | " Give a man a fish and you
> > System Programmer, System Administrator. |   feedhim for a day;
> > email : liranz@actcom.co.il              |   teach him to use the Net
> > phone : 972 - 3 - 6493939                |   and he won't bother you
> > home  : http://www.math.tau.ac.il/~liranz|   for weeks. "
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